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Poll Question: Which choice represents best your opinion of jazz
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    Posted: January 18 2010 at 07:01
As you've noticed, I would like to find progfans' relationship to jazz.
 
I have to say, I'm listening to prog more than 20 years, but as for jazz, I'm pure newbie. Even in prog, categories which we could call "jazzy prog" remain for me the least explored areas of prog.
 
I've always felt I'm on a eclectic and classical side of prog, VdGG, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Anglagard are my most loving bands. But on the other hand, I love some albums by e.g. Soft Machine and National Health, I love very much the instruments often associated with jazz like saxophones, clarinets, trumpets, I love jazzy druming, I love instrumental prog.
 
So I started to buy some albums from ECM label to explore more jazz, but I can't say I'm too satisfied. I've never met beauty and emotional depth of my most loving prog bands. Sometimes sounding too happy, sometimes too sentimental, sometimes I missed the dynamics or power of prog.
 
Maybe I need an advice where to find jazz equally emotionally moving as e.g. VdGG.
 
Many thanks for your comments and recommendations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 07:43
I like Jazz more in theory than in practice.  My father is an immense jazz nut, so I've heard (and have access to) a wide variety of jazz artists.  Something about it just hasn't resonated with me personally though, and in the end it feels like background music to me - pleasant and exciting, but not particularly memorable and not the kind of thing I'll put on myself often.  I'm still holding out hope that one day I'll "get it". 
 
I voted for option #4.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 07:48
Jazz has so many sub genres and is a territory worth exploring. I'm also new to the world of jazz and so far I would recommend one album:  The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady from Charles Mingus. Absolute masterpiece. You may also want to check some of the albums from Miles Davis like Kind of Blue or In a silent way. I agree with you about VdGG. I would say jazz is different but I know a few tunes which are easily switching me to that state you are talking about(e.g. Miles Davis - Solea from Sketches Of Spain).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 07:59
Originally posted by undercover_man undercover_man wrote:

I've always felt I'm on a eclectic and classical side of prog, VdGG, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Anglagard are my most loving bands. But on the other hand, I love some albums by e.g. Soft Machine and National Health, I love very much the instruments often associated with jazz like saxophones, clarinets, trumpets, I love jazzy druming, I love instrumental prog.

 

So I started to buy some albums from ECM label to explore more jazz, but I can't say I'm too satisfied. I've never met beauty and emotional depth of my most loving prog bands. Sometimes sounding too happy, sometimes too sentimental, sometimes I missed the dynamics or power of prog.

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Sounds as if your taste is similar to mine!

A lot of ECM albums sound rather wishy-washy, but try Eberhard Weber's YELLOW FIELDS or SILENT FEET, or Terje Rypdal's early albums. Most probably, you will also love Gary Burton's ECM albums and Keith Jarrett's MY SONG. You may also enjoy Pat Metheny, Weather Report, Brand X and Bill Bruford's Earthworks. All these acts are somewhere between Canterbury scene, symphonic prog and "orthodox jazz". Happy listening!

P.S. In many European countries you can use Spotify to access virtually the entire ECM catalogue for free. And it's 100% legal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:16
I like the incredible musicianship displayed by a lot of jazz artists, but im not a huge jazz fan. I prefer  crescendos and climaxes to music, which i dont find as much of in jazz
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:21
I have always liked jazz, especially chamber jazz á la Oregon. and I must say I like most of the ECM recordings. that does not mean I don't like other jazz. I even like some big band jazz. the WDR big band is fantastic, and the full list of artists that have played with it as guest artists reads like a who-is-who in jazz. I also liked the United Jazz and Rock Ensemble. and many jazz artists cross borders to world music, like for example the French trio Hadouk. just as world musicians like Rabih Abou-Khalil experiment with jazz and play with top European jazz musicians like Gianluigi Trovese or Michel Godard


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:28
Fourth option for me, though I would change the 'prog' into 'rock'. Jazz, for me, is much like classical music - I like listening to it in relatively small doses. On the other hand, I do love jazzy prog, from the Mahavishnu Orchestra and Canterbury bands like Hatfield and the North or National Health to the more modern examples of contamination between jazz/fusion and metal. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:30
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

in the end it feels like background music to me - pleasant and exciting, but not particularly memorable and not the kind of thing I'll put on myself often.  I'm still holding out hope that one day I'll "get it".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:43

My vote was for the second choice. when I first discovered Prog in the early 80's at age of 13 prog was my world, but by the end of the 80's and early 90's there wasn't any prog that helped me keep that 80's spirit alive so then i was introduced to Jazz and I embraced and adored it as much as prog. Bands like The pat Metheny Group, Mike Stern, Tribal Tech,ECM records musicians like: Jan Garbarek, Ralph Towner, John Abercrombie to mention and few then I got into traditional jazz with the master Coltrane, Parker, Miles, Oscar Peterson etc. SO Yes A prog fan can love Jazz.

However , returned to my roots when I heard Porcupine tree, Dream Theater, Anekdoten, Aglangard, Ozric Tentacles, Tool.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 08:51
I'm not really big on jazz, though I do like some jazzy prog. I have a tough time sitting through a lot of traditional jazz especially.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 09:04
Second option for me. Excluding swing jazz, it is as enjoyable to me these days as prog is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 09:41
I'd say my love for jazz and prog music is close to equal.  I probably got into prog music at first by listening to jazz fusion artists like Weather Report and Return To Forever, then from there I branched out to more traditional jazz and prog music.  Since I'm Canadian, I was familiar with Rush before any of that. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 10:57
I like it about as much as prog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:07
I love jazz and prog about equally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:07
Third option for me.  It's close to the same level as prog for me, but prog has a slight edge.  Jazz and Classical are both right behind it, really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:14
No, not at all. Prog fans do not like jazz, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you do. Only those who like jazz rock like it, but they're not real prog fans anyway. Jazzers don't use mellotrons, and they suck at irregular time signatures. Also, their drumers use brushes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:38
Originally posted by bsms810 bsms810 wrote:

I like the incredible musicianship displayed by a lot of jazz artists, but im not a huge jazz fan. I prefer  crescendos and climaxes to music, which i dont find as much of in jazz


You should really try Eberhard Weber's SILENT FEET, or anything by the Pat Metheny Group: climaxes aplenty!

However, the greatest climax in jazz must be Duke Ellington's immortal "Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue" (from AT NEWPORT). Unless you want to include John Coltrane, who is ALL crescendos. But give me DUKE any time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:41
Originally posted by undercover_man undercover_man wrote:

As you've noticed, I would like to find progfans' relationship to jazz.
 

 
Maybe I need an advice where to find jazz equally emotionally moving as e.g. VdGG.
 
Many thanks for your comments and recommendations.


Maybe you should try "Mike Mainieri - An American Diary" for a start
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:41
I love jazz, but not as much as I love prog. Jazz has a lot of great technical musicians and soothing/stylish atmospheres, but it doesn't have a confronting lyrical/composition side. The songs are less memorable then prog epics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:44
I'm fairly new to jazz, only been listening to some classics like Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Brubeck, Bill Evans and Jarrett.
 
But got to say I love when a Prog band adds to their music some jazzy touches, hence my love for Waterloo Lily, Rain Dances, The Tangent, and many others.
 
Option 3, but I think it's just a matter of time till I like jazz equally or even more than prog.
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