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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 15:20

Vinyl has much better sound. Cds can be digitally remastered from all sorts of sources, enabling encoding of all sorts of noises. I just bought "McGear" on Cd. Its absolute rubbish! Even at low volumes the piano just oozes with static, whereas my LP sounds kick!.But then with records, they have to be maintained because of the inevitable scratches, pops and skips. Buying a record player with a nice cartridge is a GOOD IDEA.Thumbs Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 15:24
Why I dislike vinyl:

hisspophisspopcracklecracklepopSKIPSKIPhisspopcrackle

Why I like vinyl:

Cheap
Big art
It spins
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 18:46
Well, it's not really the fact that its on vinyl that makes it better, it's the original mix that does.  That original mix is often only found on the vinyl though.  What crushes the audio of CDs is the mass compression and the output being jacked all the way up.  So I'd more so suggest trying to find non-remastered CDs than chasing after the vinyl, though I do enjoy my large vinyl collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 18:53
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Why I dislike vinyl:

hisspophisspopcracklecracklepopSKIPSKIPhisspopcrackle

Why I like vinyl:

Cheap
Big art
It spins

I agree with your "why I like" reasons. However it seems new vinyl is pretty expensive, although I did buy a 2xLP by Chromeo with free shipping (post-disco/funk) for $16 on Amazon, but bought Zombi's 2004 LP for $24 with shipping. Kinda sucks.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2010 at 22:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

By the way, for those new to vinyl collecting you should rotate them.  I had a bunch that were soaked in a recent house flood.  They had been on the shelf and left alone for about 15 years.  They will flatten a little on the bottom rim.  One of my bosses decided to salvage them and noticed that. 

On a side note, glass is also sort of a very slow moving liquid.  Panes in a window will get thicker on the bottom and thinner at the top as time goes by.
Slarti, please tell me this is one of your LOL posts.  Because I'm not about to start rotating my 1000 LP's on any sort of regular basis.  F*ck, might as well get a bunch of hens and turn eggs in an incubator.  And plastic is plastic.  This means my CD's are also slowly, almost in geologic time, forming large puddles at the bottom.  I've got a Bachman Turner Overdrive album I haven't listened to in 20 years hanging about.  Let me verify. 
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 01:20
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

By the way, for those new to vinyl collecting you should rotate them.  I had a bunch that were soaked in a recent house flood.  They had been on the shelf and left alone for about 15 years.  They will flatten a little on the bottom rim.  One of my bosses decided to salvage them and noticed that. 

On a side note, glass is also sort of a very slow moving liquid.  Panes in a window will get thicker on the bottom and thinner at the top as time goes by.


Err, no.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 05:27
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

By the way, for those new to vinyl collecting you should rotate them.  I had a bunch that were soaked in a recent house flood.  They had been on the shelf and left alone for about 15 years.  They will flatten a little on the bottom rim.  One of my bosses decided to salvage them and noticed that. 

On a side note, glass is also sort of a very slow moving liquid.  Panes in a window will get thicker on the bottom and thinner at the top as time goes by.


Err, no.



Uhm, which part? LOL
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html
This sort of backs you up on the glass thing.
Then we can agree it's an amorphous solid. Tongue




Edited by Slartibartfast - January 13 2010 at 05:29
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 05:39
"It is sometimes said that glass in very old churches is thicker at the bottom than at the top because glass is a liquid, and so over several centuries it has flowed towards the bottom.  This is not true."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 05:44
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

By the way, for those new to vinyl collecting you should rotate them.  I had a bunch that were soaked in a recent house flood.  They had been on the shelf and left alone for about 15 years.  They will flatten a little on the bottom rim.  One of my bosses decided to salvage them and noticed that. 

On a side note, glass is also sort of a very slow moving liquid.  Panes in a window will get thicker on the bottom and thinner at the top as time goes by.


Err, no.



Uhm, which part? LOL
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html
This sort of backs you up on the glass thing.
Then we can agree it's an amorphous solid. Tongue




Honestly, I don't know. It seems logical that if glass, which is solid state of matter, doesn't behave like a liquid, the same should apply for polyvinyl chloride molecules. I might be wrong though. I'm tempted to ask this guy...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 10:06
Is that a picture of Tesla?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 10:13
I wasn't making it up, the vinyl did go a little flat.  Maybe by not more than a 1/32" on the bottom edge but it was noticeable.  I haven't checked out my top of the shelf records yet.  I'll report back in when I get a moment to inspect them. The storage location at the house was fairly even in temperature.  The storage unit where I have my top shelf LPs is conditioned.  But if the bottom edge flattened a little, who knows about the whole disc?  When my top boss attempts playback, I will also report back....


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 13 2010 at 10:19
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2010 at 17:48
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I love everything about vinyl. Taking them out of the sleeve with loving care. Looking at them when you first get them trying to figure out what they will sound like from the thickness of the grooves.Placing them on the turntable. Cueing the stylus. Watching it go around. Holding the cover while you listen to them. Reading the booklet. Best one I have is Jethro tull's hard cover 1972 Living In The Past album which opens into a 20 page book! Searching for that elusive album by that obscure group in record shops, flea markets, junk sales ( although this is a thing of the past with the age of the internet  Angry)  There is a mystique about vinyl. Vinyl albums are more personal I find.

One method I use to rmove gunk from the grooves is toothpaste although I'm sure that a lot of guys would advise against it but it has worked for me. A long haired freak who owned a record store showed me this one  years ago.

Well, no doubt, vinyl is groovy. Tongue

I have a copy of that Living In The Past, too.  The vinyl was screwed up but the rest is primo.  Survived the flood. Big smile

They make really expensive vinyl cleaning machines by they way.  Anyone have any experience with them and opinions/recommendations?
 
A friend of mine sells records for a lving on ebay and he invested in one of those vinyl cleaning machines. You appy a few drop of liquid, brush it in and allow it to rotate while is sucks all the rubbish out the grooves. I bought a copy of Living In the Past off ebay and the seller had really overatted the condition as it looked filthy. I put it on my mates machine and it came up looking almost new and played much better. Of course it wont work miracles and get rid of scratches.
 
I think they're around 3 -4 hundred quid for a pro one though so unless you're really serious about vinyl probably not worth the money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2010 at 04:36
I'm an official member of Vinylholics Conspicuous...
 
For a first turntable, I'd recommend the Project Debut III USB - it's a proper turntable, but at a price that is extremely reasonable for what it is and does.
 
Purists wouldn't like it, as it has a built-in preamp - but this is a strength if the rest of your system is halfway modern, and lacks a phono input!
 
The other enormous strength is the USB bit - you plug it straight into your PC and create your own mp3s so you can listen to your vinyls on the go.
 
The biggest disadvantage with vinyl is storage. The other is tracking down particularly rare recordings - it's much easier to find CDs, and easier still to find mp3s of really hard to come by stuff.
 
The advantages are;
 
1) Sounds much better than any other music format except reel-to-reel. No arguments please. Big smile
2) Nice, BIG artwork.
3) It's still possible to buy a piece of vinyl in a second-hand shop and discover it's worth 100x what you paid for it - although I agree, with the Internet, people have wised up, and it's much harder than it used to be - but still, collecting vinyl can fund itself, in theory.
 
In practice, I find I tend to hang on to the really precious slabs...
 
 
When you first play a well-mastered Led Zep II on your turntable (and there are loads of different masterings out there, so beware!), you suddenly realise what heavy rock music is supposed to sound like - and Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" does the same thing for Prog.
 
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 09:43
I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 09:48
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 10:34
Originally posted by halabalushindigus halabalushindigus wrote:

Is that a picture of Tesla?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 12:17
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL
Well that's difficult because when I'm not around I'm usually not there to keep an eye on them. But I've got them trained to be very careful with their nails when removing them from the sleeve when I'm at home and actually  supervising them so when I'm not there it doesn't worry me them playing the albums. I mean, it's better than them destroying the house while I'm not there. It's a chance I take.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 12:26
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I still have my two turntables from the seventies ( a Dual and a Micro Seiki ) and I still use them almost every day. I think my dogs even use them when I'm not home. They prefer vinyl and they were both born when CDs were in vogue ! 


Your dogs, playing your records when you're not around?  I'd be keeping a closer eye on them when you're not around. LOL
Well that's difficult because when I'm not around I'm usually not there to keep an eye on them. But I've got them trained to be very careful with their nails when removing them from the sleeve when I'm at home and actually  supervising them so when I'm not there it doesn't worry me them playing the albums. I mean, it's better than them destroying the house while I'm not there. It's a chance I take.

it's tough having pets. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2010 at 15:30
Aarf!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2010 at 05:11
Get this for your pets!



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