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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2004 at 22:44
Thats only a bandaid.... not a cure!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:46

Being a younster (18) aboslutely none of my peers are into prog. I've tried to convert some of my friends, but with little success. I've heard them write off prog in some shocking ways - I often wonder if they've been listening to it at all. Some quotes from my friends:

On Close To The Edge:

"God, this is boring."

On Prog in general:

"It all sounds the same to me"

On Hatfield & The North:

"Reminds me of elevator music"

On Ozric Tentacles:

"I thought you said this was rock?"

 

To be quite honest I've given up trying these days. I met a bloke at college who started saying that the best music should be pushing the boundaries and cited Bowie and Radiohead as examples. I made him a disc with some Yes, GG, VDGG, Maxophone, and much more on and he said to me a couple of days later "I know I said I liked music that pushed the boundaries but that's just f***ing weird". So there we have it. My generation's minds are a closed as the high street at midnight.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:49
Yes, we are living really a very sad time...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 05:55
Donīt you fret Trouserpress, EVERY generation are as stupid as the next one  People in general just do not understand,  more than 3 chord music, with some catchy refrain. Even Beethoven suffered from this, so weīre in good company. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:04

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Thats only a bandaid.... not a cure!

 

Are we getting close to the edge.........................................  (can't of any other prog lyrics to continue -- any suggestions please?)

 

No worries Three Fates (H) you are not as old as I am. The mere young boys here should go back in their separate  corners and recommense twanging their wires.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:06

When your a teenager most of your peers are more concerned about what trainers they're wearing than whats in their CD player (or on their turntable as it was in my day) Prog fans are usually people who are quite in touch with their emotions (sorry if that sounds sickly and pretentious) and prog can be very emotional music as we all know! Many proggers seem to have an interest in Jazz and or classical music, which leads them to be impressed by good musicianship and complicated arrangements. In short the music matters!! The accessories dont!! The artists have taken the time to learn their instrument to a highly profficient level. They have thought about the songs they are writing.

In contrast, most people see music as a vehicle for fashion, style and attitiude rather than a form of art, in itself, desinged to entertain and convey feeling. Tragic, but thats the way it is. Prog can never have mass appeal.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:09
Sad but VERY TRUE !!!!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:11

Yes you are all right, but i persist to think that our time is worst than before cause people are more conditioned than ever before...

Thanks TV (among others)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:18
Yes itīs harder today, than it was in the 70s, but it was difficult to make people  listen to quality music even back then. Thatīs why itīs great to see  that a few "Youngsters" here, really have good taste and use their brains. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:20

Thanks for the compliment...

I feel very isolated

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:23

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Yes itīs harder today, than it was in the 70s, but it was difficult to make people  listen to quality music even back then. Thatīs why itīs great to see  that a few "Youngsters" here, really have good taste and use their brains. 

I would never have believed that anyone under 30 would even know what prog is, before discovering this site. It is indeed a great thing that some 'youngsters' are tuned into this music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 06:24
Yes indeed, makes this old heart beat a little faster, thereīs still hope for the future 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 07:34
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Yes itīs harder today, than it was in the 70s, but it was difficult to make people  listen to quality music even back then. Thatīs why itīs great to see  that a few "Youngsters" here, really have good taste and use their brains. 

I would never have believed that anyone under 30 would even know what prog is, before discovering this site. It is indeed a great thing that some 'youngsters' are tuned into this music.

Despite my young age, i'm found of prog since nearly 15 years!

Some 50 years old people who have known the golden age are amazed that i know 60's/70's music much more than them!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 07:41
I have to say, I'm pretty lucky in this area - virtually all my friends listen to & appreciate progressive rock - the same cannot be said of all their spouses, however:

There we were, 5/6 of us, chilled out, post pub, full of Cain's bitter, laying back & listening to 'mumps' by Hatfield & The North, nothing being said, no sound except the music (and the occasional flatulent results of an evening on good beer), when Chris's wife appears with the tea, and gives her opinion......

"WHAT'S THIS SH*T?????"

The moment was lost.........

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 07:46
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

Yes itīs harder today, than it was in the 70s, but it was difficult to make people  listen to quality music even back then. Thatīs why itīs great to see  that a few "Youngsters" here, really have good taste and use their brains. 

I would never have believed that anyone under 30 would even know what prog is, before discovering this site. It is indeed a great thing that some 'youngsters' are tuned into this music.

Despite my young age, i'm found of prog since nearly 15 years!

Some 50 years old people who have known the golden age are amazed that i know 60's/70's music much more than them!

 

Much respect to you oliver  Those 50 year olds probably listerned to crap throughout the 'golden age' and never understood prog either  It was lampooned by many even in them days. Thankfully there was also huge armies of open minded music fans that kept prog safely afloat for a long time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 08:11

The problem that the current generation of teenagers, and the one before that too, have had is that they've been getting into music at a time when the mainstream press have urinated on prog from a great height. For a while, any writers into the bands we all know and love were afraid to admit it in the UK music press for fear of being treated with contempt by their cooler-than-thou peers.

 As Robert Fripp pointed out, that has changed somewhat over the last decade or so, and prog gets a bit of a fairer hearing from the more adult mags. No, not porn ones! Mojo, Uncut, Word etc.

 Personally I've always like the idea that most - though by no means all - of "the horde" weren't into the same kind of music as me anyway.

 In the last year my wife and I have seen both Yes and Rush play to packed arenas - in fact the recent Rush shows at Glasgow were treated like the Second Coming by fans after such a long absence and both bands received good reviews from the main Scottish broadsheets.

 When I got into prog aged 12/13 in 1979/80, I was regarded as a young upstart who had missed the boat by the older heads out there, so nothing changes! As now, though, there were kindly elders around willing to point me in the right direction.

 So much love and encouragement to all those younger folk getting into this music, and cheers to the old 'uns who are keeping the fire burning. Thank god for the internet and sites like this!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 09:52
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

No worries Three Fates (H) you are not as old as I am. The mere young boys here should go back in their separate  corners and recommense twanging their wires.

Thanks Dick... actually those boys don't bother me.  I've got a feeling they are both only younger in mind than they are body anyway....

In regard to youngsters into prog.  Seems to me that Pink Floyd has a huge younger following.  If you go thru all of the Pink Floyd sites on their webring, you'll find that most of the membership of their forums are under the age of 30.  Heck the official PF site, I'd say half of them are under the age of 25.  Pink Floyd has always appealed to the minds of teens... and evidently that still holds true. They evidently relate to Roger's tormented lyrics... and David's wailing guitar...

Trying to find the young ones into Yes and ELP.. now thats a bit harder.  For one, most are not into the Hammond or keyboard sound as being the lead instrument.  Another reason for PF's popularity... Rick's keyboards were very underlying.. while David's guitar was very prevalent.  If you play for your friends, prog songs that are heavy on guitar.... I bet they'd like it more.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 10:00
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

No worries Three Fates (H) you are not as old as I am. The mere young boys here should go back in their separate  corners and recommense twanging their wires.

Thanks Dick... actually those boys don't bother me.  I've got a feeling they are both only younger in mind than they are body anyway....

In regard to youngsters into prog.  Seems to me that Pink Floyd has a huge younger following.  If you go thru all of the Pink Floyd sites on their webring, you'll find that most of the membership of their forums are under the age of 30.  Heck the official PF site, I'd say half of them are under the age of 25.  Pink Floyd has always appealed to the minds of teens... and evidently that still holds true. They evidently relate to Roger's tormented lyrics... and David's wailing guitar...

Trying to find the young ones into Yes and ELP.. now thats a bit harder.  For one, most are not into the Hammond or keyboard sound as being the lead instrument.  Another reason for PF's popularity... Rick's keyboards were very underlying.. while David's guitar was very prevalent.  If you play for your friends, prog songs that are heavy on guitar.... I bet they'd like it more.

Some of us are 43 going on 16!Ouch




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2004 at 10:38

You'd be amazed at who likes prog.

Kurt Cobain claimed that KC's 'Red' was his favourite album of all time and Noel Gallagher has lauded Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' as a classic.

 

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