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jammun
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Topic: New decade, end of the CD? Posted: January 05 2010 at 21:57 |
I've seen many articles online, it being the start of a new decade. Almost all of them predict that the '10s will be the end of the CD, sooner rather than later. The usual suspects are cited: cheaper for bands to just sell downloads online, bypassing the middleman (i.e., record companies); digital culture; everything else is moving to digital. So my question is, has the CD served its usefulness? Are we now into a strictly MP3 world?
I need to buy a new CD player (the old carousel is not carouselling so well any longer) and I notice there are not a whole lot of choices. Marantz and Yamaha still make decent ones it looks like, but there's not much else out there. It's starting to look like a niche product.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:05 |
I'll be really upset when CDs and physical media disappears. Sure, it's more convenient to just go and download mp3 copies of a band you like, but it's just missing something...plus, if your hard drive gets messed up you're kind of out of luck unless you've got everything backed up, which I'm sure a lot of people don't.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:26 |
It'll be awful if CD's disappear completely, but its worth mentioning that memory is dropping in price and size every year, so who knows, in 10 years we might be able to buy DVD-A MP3's on an SD card for the same price of a CD.
I will continue buying CD's for as long as I can, though.
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:29 |
It's my last format. When it goes, I start buying used CDs only. When they're gone, I find a new hobby. So NOT interested in downloading and Ipod etc.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:35 |
Finnforest wrote:
It's my last format. When it goes, I start buying used CDs only. When they're gone, I find a new hobby. So NOT interested in downloading and Ipod etc.
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I enjoy having my Zune, because it's more convenient to carry with me at college than my entire CD collection, but having the physical product beforehand is important to me, gives it a sense of value that I still can't attach to downloads. I just hope that I can manage to get all the music I want before CDs disappear if they do (which I hope they don't for a long, long time).
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jammun
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:49 |
So, I do have an IPod (thanks to my kids), and most of the stuff is on the computer (and is backed up). Nonetheless I do not entirely trust purely digital storage. The hard disk is far more likely to die before the CD rots. LP's are also plastic, and they have not fallen apart, just yet, for nearly 50 years? I'm just noticing a paucity of component quality CD players. Guess I could always plug in the old Discman, which is also not exactly a youngster.
I suppose: I bought a new turntable a few years back. Never thought I'd say this: thanks to the club DJ's, who have kept that medium alive.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:50 |
I don't like downloading. I still buy CDs. I'll also be upset when they die out completely. There's something to be said about physically owning a product, having the disc on a hard copy, looking through the liner notes. Going to the store and choosing records is part of the experience. Downloading...loses something.
I have my entire collection on Itunes and my Ipod for convenience's sake, but I still need to have the physical backups. Ipods serve a purpose. They are useful for having your music on the go, and it is better than carrying around a wallet of compact discs. But I've never downloaded an album, legally or illegally. Everything on my Ipod comes from a physical CD.
When CDs are gone, I just hope I have all the music I want to get on the format, because I can't imagine switching to downloading. I think there will always be people interested in having a hard copy of albums. The folks that buy a single song on the Itunes store are not serious music listeners, I believe. Some artists work can't be appreciated in 'singles' format, especially prog. Most of my collection is 'albums' bands.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:54 |
jammun wrote:
So, I do have an IPod (thanks to my kids), and most of the stuff is on the computer (and is backed up). Nonetheless I do not entirely trust purely digital storage. The hard disk is far more likely to die before the CD rots. LP's are also plastic, and they have not fallen apart, just yet, for nearly 50 years? I'm just noticing a paucity of component quality CD players. Guess I could always plug in the old Discman, which is also not exactly a youngster.
I suppose: I bought a new turntable a few years back. Never thought I'd say this: thanks to the club DJ's, who have kept that medium alive. |
That's a good point you make. Can one buy a decent CD player anymore? The medium is only dead when they stop manufacturing equipment to play it on.
I've had a few CDs rot before, but thankfully its only a minority of my large collection, and I had ripped them all on to Itunes before it happened.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:54 |
Plus, I seriously doubt that mp3s would sound quite as good on a high quality sound system as a CD or a vinyl would. I can't speak from experience, though.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:58 |
Dedicated CD players of high quality are hard to find, although DVD players with incredibly good sound output are easy to find.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 22:58 |
SaltyJon wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
It's my last format. When it goes, I start buying used CDs only. When they're gone, I find a new hobby. So NOT interested in downloading and Ipod etc.
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I enjoy having my Zune, because it's more convenient to carry with me at college than my entire CD collection, but having the physical product beforehand is important to me, gives it a sense of value that I still can't attach to downloads. I just hope that I can manage to get all the music I want before CDs disappear if they do (which I hope they don't for a long, long time).
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I agree with both your comments. I can't ever imagine switching to downloading cyberspace-only music, with no physical backup. But I do agree that MP3 players are useful in that you can carry your tunes around with you, without carrying your whole CD library. Everything on my Ipod was ripped from my own CD collection. I just like having the physical copy as well. If CDs die, I'm out. I'll be scouring used record stores, looking for bargain CDs.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:02 |
It would be a big loss. I doubt I would purchase MP3's and buy an I-pod....
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:02 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Dedicated CD players of high quality are hard to find, although DVD players with incredibly good sound output are easy to find. |
Yeah, a good DVD player with a surround sound setup gives you superb audio quality.
I'm with Steven Wilson on the downloading issue (check out the DVD of Insurgentes to see his views on the subject). It just loses something...tangible and magical about the music listening experience.
There's nothing like cranking up the surround sound mix of a PT album, or Pink Floyd. Imagine all these kids thinking that Mp3s are what music is supposed to sound like.
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Kestrel
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:07 |
I would prefer a return to vinyl. When the apocalypse comes in 2012, I'd be able to listen to my vinyl but not my digital CDs...
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:08 |
Record companies are reacting to this downloading trend by giving you more value for money with CDs. A lot of discs come in limited editions these days, with bonus DVDs, artwork, collectors packaging, etc. It is starting to look like a collector's market. For example, look at the new Dream Theater and Muse CDs, with bonus discs, etc.
I snap up new albums as soon as they hit the market, coz I know these special edition CD releases won't stick around for long.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:11 |
Kestrel wrote:
I would prefer a return to vinyl. When the apocalypse comes in 2012, I'd be able to listen to my vinyl but not my digital CDs...
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That's true. If something wiped out all electronic equipment on Earth, the only form of music recording you could still listen to would be vinyl. Just need something to spin it on, and something to act as a needle.
They said vinyl was dead years ago, and it isn't. People still collect LPs all over the world. So I doubt CDs are going anywhere just yet.
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jammun
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:17 |
One article I read suggested that the future of music was one mega-record company (Sony, Warners, etc., all consolidated), which would continue to release back catalog on CD for us who still are interested in owning a physical product. As for new stuff, purely downloadable digital will rule. Now that's just one guy's theory, but in a way I think it holds up. Which might say more about the quality of music being produced (by the big labels) today than as to the viability of the CD as a recorded medium. Still the lack of options in terms of buying CD players makes me question how long they'll be around, except as a niche product.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:19 |
Well I know that as long as they're around, they'll continue to be my preferred medium for music.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:23 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Dedicated CD players of high quality are hard to find, although DVD players with incredibly good sound output are easy to find. |
Yeah, a good DVD player with a surround sound setup gives you superb audio quality. I'm with Steven Wilson on the downloading issue (check out the DVD of Insurgentes to see his views on the subject). It just loses something...tangible and magical about the music listening experience. There's nothing like cranking up the surround sound mix of a PT album, or Pink Floyd. Imagine all these kids thinking that Mp3s are what music is supposed to sound like. |
Yeah, I've seen that clip and definitely agree with you. We've got a 5.1 setup currently (my dad is actually bringing home a new amplifier [and possible 2 more speakers to upgrade to 7.1] today) which sounds fantastic. The Porcupine Tree Lightbulb Sun DVD-A in 5.1 is the best thing I've ever heard
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Kashmir75
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 23:31 |
You haven't heard PT til you've heard it on a kickass sound setup.
I can't imagine Prog fans will ever abandon physical music media. The genre doesn't lend itself very well to single song downloads on Itunes.
Another question is: is the album dead? The press have been saying that the need for albums full of filler tracks is no more. An artist can just release a single as a download whenever they want (look at Radiohead's approach to making music recently). I don't really agree with this. I'm not a 'singles' guy, I prefer listening to a whole album, even when I'm listening to it on an Ipod.
Prog, by its very nature, is an album oriented genre. As long as we have it, we'll probably have some format available which caters for fans with long attention spans.
Edited by Kashmir75 - January 05 2010 at 23:32
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