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Logan
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Posted: December 27 2009 at 13:47 |
lucas wrote:
Well, if ASIA, Magnum and GTR are in PA, I don't see why TOTO would not be here. TOTO are much more divese and complex than ASIA. But there would be a lot more AOR artists to add : O'Ryan, Leroux, Life on mars, Heart...
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I don't know that Asia would be here were it not for the musicians
involved -- ditto for GTR. I've hears some Magnum, but don't remember
them. While consistency is important, it should be noted that the
conditions for PR entry are more stringent now.
I'm not sure that musically-speaking, any of those should be here. And
I'm not sure when they were added, if the definition was in place then,
as it states in Prog Related:
"We specify the word MUSICAL because simple performance of a
determined instrument in a Prog or mainstream band is not justification
enough to include an artist, no matter how virtuoso he/she may be, Prog
Archives has to evaluate their compositional work because the music is
what determines the characteristics of a band or an artist."
A lot of acts were added in the early days before the proper teams were in place that would not make the cut now.
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Raff
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Posted: December 27 2009 at 14:08 |
Though I am not a fan of AOR/stadium rock/arena rock/pomp rock (call it whatever you like), I'd like to point out something that many people seem to overlook: if there is a subgenre of rock that deserved the tag of 'prog-related', this is it. Check what Edward Macan says on page 154 of his book Rocking the Classics (an essential read for any prog fan, even if I don't necessarily agree with everything he says):
"...the American stadium rock style, which essentially involves a progressive rock/heavy metal fusion..."
And on page 186:
"Stadium rock bands especially admired progressive rock's virtuosity.... Indeed, certain stylistic elements of progressive rock were used over and over again by these bands until they were reduced to clichés: toccata-like organ and synthesizer solos, sudden juxtapositions of acoustic and electric sections, and three- or four-part vocal arrangements dominated by high tenors."
If this doesn't clearly spell 'prog-related', I wonder what does. I'd also like to remind people that some bands included here, and considered fully prog by most (Kansas and Starcastle, for instance) are held by others to be AOR/pomp rock rather than prog.
All of the above, anyway, has the main purpose of playing devil's advocate - I have never been overly concerned with what is added or not, and have never thrown tantrums over any addition.
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Logan
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Posted: December 27 2009 at 14:27 |
I've read that quote before -- very good point, Raff.
{Irrelevant, but what I've wished with prog-related (and particularly proto-prog which I consider a much more important category) was a diverse and reasonably well-balanced representation of bands/artists related to the various "progressive" movements listed in the archives, but this would involve a different way of approaching the categories. I think it could turn this into a much better research site. It's too mainstream-oriented, I feel.}
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Raff
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Posted: December 27 2009 at 14:37 |
Logan wrote:
I've read that quote before -- very good point, Raff.
{Irrelevant, but what I've wished with prog-related (and particularly proto-prog which I consider a much more important category) was a diverse and reasonably well-balanced representation of bands/artists related to the various "progressive" movements listed in the archives, but this would involve a different way of approaching the categories. I think it could turn this into a much better research site. It's too mainstream-oriented, I feel.}
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100% in agreement with you, Greg - since I started reviewing for another site I've been exposed to a lot of music that would probably never find a place here, but which is absolutely worth exploring, as well as authentically progressive. However, I am afraid it's not going to happen in the short term at least.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: December 28 2009 at 11:14 |
Logan wrote:
Boston certainly has had much support for inclusion in Prog-Related due to the first LP. |
The second too. Boston for PA!
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:47 |
Great group, but nothing to do with prog, even if Jeff Porcaro played in Gilmour's about face. Too few to be prog.
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FusionKing
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Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:48 |
No. Toto in my opinion is an A.O.R. band.
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