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Terrest Cephalopod ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: August 03 2009 Location: México Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I think that ToTo may be in progarchives, but much other bands too, such as Slowdive or Sonic Youth.
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SgtPepper67 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 530 |
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The Beatles are in proto-prog and their music fits perfectly with the definition of that non-prog genre. |
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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Let's just leave TOTO in Kansas
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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mobby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 22 2008 Status: Offline Points: 153 |
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as much as bands like reo speedwagon or chicago should be..they are not a bad band..had few good songs but they are not prog or prog related..the genre should be more defined..not every band who had a song more than 5 mins long or a bit complex means it is prog related...
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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I can understand that some people suggested Bjork or Laurie Anderson, but Toto... Seriously...
I have the feeling that a lot of people are mistaking ProgArchives and AOR-Archives. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37238 |
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Irrelevant, but I love the Dune soundtrack.
Edited by Logan - August 26 2009 at 13:25 |
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Malve87 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 19 2005 Location: Genova, Italy Status: Offline Points: 252 |
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you're free to say what you want, but
165 votes yes
135 votes no
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37238 |
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Since multiple voting is allowed, the results lack validity (someone could have voted a bunch of times). |
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Malve87 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 19 2005 Location: Genova, Italy Status: Offline Points: 252 |
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then this poll's useless
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37238 |
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Such polls in and of themselves are usually pretty useless anyway, at least in terms of addition. For such additions, it's the arguments that count.
One could always add up the posts by people that express that they are in favour and those that are not (plus those that there undecided), anyway. I think that votes with posts to explain why they vote such a way are the ones that should be taken into consideration, anyway. Often people just vote with their gut-feeling or according to their biases (whether they like it or not), or not really knowing the music anyway, or without thinking about arguments for and/or against. What's funny is often the discrepancy between poll results and going through the posts to see who voted what. I've known polls were one option was ahead in the poll while most people in the posts preferred the other option. I don't trust votes without explanations, and really find them pretty worthless (that goes to political elections too), but at least those aren't quite so easily manipulated as this one. I'm a ambivalent by the way. I don't think it SHOULD be here, but I do think it has merit. Edited by Logan - August 26 2009 at 16:20 |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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i saw a page where they mentiond Toto together with here http://www.wayango.com/genres/rock-art-rockexperimental-neo-prog/ i that makes that Totos music certenly have influenced som Progressive rock geners, i also strongly beleave they also have had a foot in influencing traditional Progressive Metal like Queensryche and Dream Theater.
Neo Prog The subgenre relies very much on clean, melodic and emotional electric guitar solos check combined with modern, lush, floating and atmospheric keyboards. check The main musical influences on the neo-prog genre are Genesis, Yes, Camel, Toto and Pink Floyd. indeed just pinpoint on some cases witch makes Toto influencal on Neo Prog Edited by aginor - September 07 2009 at 14:55 |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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i think based on what is said to be the merrits for inclusion to Crossover prog thet they would fitt there, but also Neo Prog is also a genre that I think Toto have a lot of similaritys with since they are more Synth and Keybord based then guitar and riff based.
but also Eclectic is one suited place to have them |
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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Toto. In Eclectic. Over my dead, eyeless, green, mould-covered body. ![]() |
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snobb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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Toto has nothing in common with prog (or almost nothing, what is the same). Listened many their albums for years. Nice AOR/pop-rock. Even seem them live ( last time -3-4 yrs ago in Budapest). NOTHING in common with prog, believe me!
Steve Lukather have some solo/ colaboartive records, which could be more related, but again, never too proggy.
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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Probably not eclectic just aired the thought
but as for their relation to Crossover prog they fit the Prog mould if you compare them to bands like Alan Parsons Project and ELO their 4 albums from 93 to falling in Between is clearly made other an Progressive aproach Kingdom of Desire have the eery, hounting sound over it, verry heavy at times, grate atmospheres, some instrument parts which shows off their techincal power as well as outstanding composisions and arrangements and the songs flow so well the trancendece between the Intro, verse chorus is so well done. it is less synth driven but the layers of sound on this album gives you the chills, the most metal sounding toto album, hard rock, heavy prog, jazz fuison and long constructed art rock (Wings of Time, the title track, Only You and How many times) Tambu is more organic sounding but all the songs on this album is made out of the new aproch for the bands ano 90s with more longer songs, not so melodic drivven more Organ and rhodes pianos, exploration of differents styles, Jazz/fusion, heavy metal, funk, even Hip hop, art rock and other styles the same grate arrangements. deeper lyrics, Mindefields is labeld as Neo prog on Wikipedia (but you dont need too relate to much on that you only need to listen to the album) many of the songs here is verry rich on texture, layerd sound, could be compared to bands like Marillion and Arena, some also more Prog Metal like Better World, its a 14 track long album and the album vere most styles of rock is presented, Falling in Between their last album starts with a bang with the splenid title track (which blends Dream Theater with more mideleastern, Daying on my Feet is Jazz/fusion track, Bottom of your Soul is art rock and the rest of the album follows this with technical and melodic music with rich istrumentation, solos, exprementation and varied in styles |
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Takeshi Kovacs ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 27 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2454 |
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I suggested After The Fire because their debut album was clearly a prime example of symphonic prog. I acknowledged that nothing else in their catalogue could be described as symphonic apart from that album. Is this a case of classifying an artist without hearing the album, Man Erg or do you deny Signs of Change is a symphonic prog album? As for Toto, I've only heard Hold The Line and Africa, and would say those two tracks are more AOR than prog. |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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I thought Toto was already in prog archives. Isn't this a Toto album?
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snobb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3584 |
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If Toto, why not Boston?
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37238 |
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Boston certainly has had much support for inclusion in Prog-Related due to the first LP.
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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Well, if ASIA, Magnum and GTR are in PA, I don't see why TOTO would not be here. TOTO are much more divese and complex than ASIA. But there would be a lot more AOR artists to add : O'Ryan, Leroux, Life on mars, Heart...
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