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Poll Question: Should Be TOTO in PA?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2009 at 07:55
I think that ToTo may be in progarchives, but much other bands too, such as Slowdive or Sonic Youth. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2009 at 20:52
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

Originally posted by SgtPepper67 SgtPepper67 wrote:

I really like the band, and although I think they have some prog related moments it's not enough to be included on the site.
I suppose the Beatles do have enough prog related moments ? Confused


The Beatles are in proto-prog and their music fits perfectly with the definition of that non-prog genre.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2009 at 21:14
Let's just leave TOTO in Kansas Wink
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Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 03:46
as much as bands like reo speedwagon or chicago should be..they are not a bad band..had few good songs but they are not prog or prog related..the genre should be more defined..not every band who had a song more than 5 mins long or a bit complex means it is prog related...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 12:43
I can understand that some people suggested Bjork or Laurie Anderson, but Toto... Seriously...
I have the feeling that a lot of people are mistaking ProgArchives and AOR-Archives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 13:22
Irrelevant, but I love the Dune soundtrack.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 15:53
you're free to say what you want, but
 
165 votes yes
 
135 votes no
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 15:58
Originally posted by Malve87 Malve87 wrote:

you're free to say what you want, but
 
165 votes yes
 
135 votes no


Since multiple voting is allowed, the results lack validity (someone could have voted a bunch of times).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 16:01
then this poll's useless
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 16:13
Such polls in and of themselves are usually pretty useless anyway, at least in terms of addition.  For such additions, it's the arguments that count. 

One could always add up the posts by people that express that they are in favour and those that are not (plus those that there undecided), anyway.  I think that votes with posts to explain why they vote such a way are the ones that should be taken into consideration, anyway.  Often people just vote with their gut-feeling or according to their biases (whether they like it or not), or not really knowing the music anyway, or without thinking about arguments for and/or against.

What's funny is often the discrepancy between poll results and going through the posts to see who voted what.  I've known polls were one option was ahead in the poll while most people in the posts preferred the other option.  I don't trust votes without explanations, and really find them pretty worthless (that goes to political elections too), but at least those aren't quite so easily manipulated as this one.

I'm a ambivalent by the way.  I don't think it SHOULD be here, but I do think it has merit.


Edited by Logan - August 26 2009 at 16:20
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 07 2009 at 14:50
i saw a page where they mentiond Toto together with here http://www.wayango.com/genres/rock-art-rockexperimental-neo-prog/ i that makes that Totos music certenly have influenced som Progressive rock geners, i also strongly beleave they also have had a foot in influencing traditional Progressive Metal like Queensryche and Dream Theater.
 
Neo Prog

The subgenre relies very much on clean, melodic and emotional electric guitar solos check
combined with modern, lush, floating and atmospheric keyboards. check
 The main musical influences on the neo-prog genre are Genesis, Yes, Camel, Toto and Pink Floyd. indeed

just pinpoint on some cases witch makes Toto influencal on Neo Prog


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 08:49
i think based on what is said to be the merrits for inclusion to Crossover prog thet they would fitt there, but also Neo Prog is also a genre that I think Toto have a lot of similaritys with since they are more Synth and Keybord based then guitar and riff based.

but also Eclectic is one suited place to have them
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 09:10
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:




but also Eclectic is one suited place to have them



Toto. In Eclectic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 10:44
Toto has nothing in common with prog (or almost nothing, what is the same). Listened many their albums for years. Nice AOR/pop-rock. Even seem them live ( last time -3-4 yrs ago in Budapest). NOTHING in common with prog, believe me!
 
Steve Lukather have some solo/ colaboartive records, which could be more related, but again, never too proggy. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 12:57
Probably not eclectic just aired the thought
but as for their relation to Crossover prog they fit the Prog mould if you compare them to bands like Alan Parsons Project and ELO their 4 albums from 93 to falling in Between is clearly made other

 an Progressive aproach Kingdom of Desire have the eery, hounting sound over it, verry heavy at times, grate atmospheres, some instrument parts which shows off their techincal power as well as outstanding composisions and arrangements and the songs flow  so well the trancendece between the Intro, verse chorus is so well done. it is less synth driven but the layers of sound on this album gives you the chills, the most metal sounding toto album, hard rock, heavy prog, jazz fuison and long constructed art rock (Wings of Time, the title track, Only You and How many times)

Tambu is more organic sounding but all the songs on this album is made out of the new aproch for the bands ano 90s with more longer songs, not so melodic drivven more Organ and rhodes pianos, exploration of differents styles, Jazz/fusion, heavy metal, funk, even Hip hop, art rock and other styles the same grate arrangements. deeper lyrics,

Mindefields is labeld as Neo prog on  Wikipedia (but you dont need too relate to much on that you only need to listen to the album)
many of the songs here is verry rich on texture, layerd sound, could be compared to bands like Marillion and Arena, some also more Prog Metal like Better World, its a 14 track long album and the album vere most styles of rock is presented,

Falling in Between their last album starts with a bang with the splenid title track (which blends Dream Theater with more mideleastern, Daying on my Feet is  Jazz/fusion track, Bottom of your Soul is art rock and the rest of the album follows this with technical and melodic music with rich istrumentation, solos, exprementation and varied in styles
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 18:55
Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

I voted no but, if they were to be included, stranger things have happened...Such as,After The Fire being in Symphonic Prog'.


I suggested After The Fire because their debut album was clearly a prime example of symphonic prog. I acknowledged that nothing else in their catalogue could be described as symphonic apart from that album.

Is this a case of classifying an artist without hearing the album, Man Erg or do you deny Signs of Change is a symphonic prog album?

As for Toto, I've only heard Hold The Line and Africa, and would say those two tracks are more AOR than prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2009 at 09:50
I thought Toto was already in prog archives.  Isn't this a Toto album?
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2009 at 10:26
If Toto, why not Boston?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2009 at 13:10
Boston certainly has had much support for inclusion in Prog-Related due to the first LP.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2009 at 13:31
Well, if ASIA, Magnum and GTR are in PA, I don't see why TOTO would not be here. TOTO are much more divese and complex than ASIA. But there would be a lot more AOR artists to add : O'Ryan, Leroux, Life on mars, Heart...


Edited by lucas - December 27 2009 at 13:34
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