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Proggy Pogo
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 13:19 |
Well, overall I would say I prefer David Gilmour as I like the soothing, mellow sound of his solo stuff, whereas Roger Waters' solo stuff is just a bit strange to me, and often too political. I would agree, of course, that the combined talents of both of them made the Floyd magic. But let's not forget the valuable contributions of Richard Wright, Nick Mason and of course SYD, without whom there'd be no Floyd.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: November 26 2009 at 13:32 |
moshkito wrote:
His latest album is sad, and disappointing ... it has completely stopped his "learning" ... and "experimenting" ... and I really think that he needs to dump all the musicians around him, and go grab one from Africa, one from Russia, one from Antarctica, one from Argentina ... and one from the Moon ... and then play with them ... and I guarantee you that he will have something great with it ... I kinda think that he needs to get out of that "rock'n'roll" fad thing ... which his music is "NOT" ... there was a lot more depth inside than the simple "jingles" and variations upon a scale that are used in pop hits ... |
While I agree that I wasn't impressed either by "On An Island", I must add that it does sound fantastic while live. Check "Live In Gdansk"
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villastrangiato
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 20:57 |
Waters was essentially a one trick pony with arguably limited talent as a performer/musician. Gilmour on the other hand possessed the creativity, imagination, chops, and yes - the humility to build upon a successful career. He forged a distinctive sound from his Fender Strat that is instantly recognizable with a soaring, almost lyrical presentation earning him the title - "king of sustain". Gilmour was never considered a very flashy or gifted player in an Al Di Meola or Steve Howe kind of way. Despite this, his unquestioned ability to paint vivid soundscapes and make his instrument "sing" has consistently placed him on the short list of favorites for many prog rock fans over the years - no small feat. Gilmour's apparent "humility" or ability to successfully collaborate with other world class artists like Tony Levin has resulted in critically acclaimed recordings like those on Momentary Lapse of Reason. Water's efforts since Pink Floyd have paled by comparison. You just don't see Roger Waters showing up on favorite lists of fans like Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, Jaco, or Levin. He simply doesn't belong in that kind of company. David Gilmour, however, clearly does.
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 21:07 |
Roger Waters wins for me. Follow my logic below:
They were great together. Their chemistry and individual contributions made Pink Floyd great.
Gilmour is an excellent guitarist, and in my opinion, little more. His solo material is spotty at best, and the highlights of it are not too high.
Waters is not an excellent musician by any means, but his music is more emotional, creative, ambitious, and yet somehow simpler. Pretentious? Maybe. But that's what prog is.
I'll give the following albums to Gilmour: Momentary Lapse of Reason, Division Bell, solo debut, About Face
I'll give the following albums to Waters: THE WALL, The Final Cut, and the oft-overlooked Amused to
Hm....a tough question indeed. But in the end, I have to go with the music that I simply enjoy more, and that belongs to Roger Waters.
.....sorry Mr. Gilmour
[EDIT]: In retrospect, I realize that "logic" had nothing to do with it
Edited by Tarquin Underspoon - November 30 2009 at 21:08
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pfptmvandkc
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Posted: December 01 2009 at 21:08 |
Roger. The music of Floyd definitely goes to David and Rick, but Roger wrote all the hits like "Money" and "Have A Cigar". And my favorite thing about Pink Floyd is the lyrics. The depths of Roger's soul are revealed in those lyrics (and they changed my life) and the music accentuates that. Although I do like "The Division Bell" a good bit. But yeah, Roger gets my vote mainly for lyrics. And I like his bass style. Have you ever listened to "Shine On You Crazy Diamond Parts I-V"?
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Black Dahlia
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Posted: December 12 2009 at 15:28 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Gilmour is clearly more talented. Waters is clearly more creative.
I vote for creativity. Viva Waters! |
i think i'll have to agree...But i don't know, something tells me to pick 'Gilmour'
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Elderflower Man
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Posted: December 12 2009 at 17:25 |
The Truth wrote:
They are nothing without each other. Amused to Death was good but with a little Gilmour input it'd be great |
Funnily enough, you speak the truth. I'm listening to the album now, and it's good, but it lacks the punch that Gilmour could've provided, were he there.
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lazland
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Posted: December 13 2009 at 12:45 |
Elderflower Man wrote:
The Truth wrote:
They are nothing without each other. Amused to Death was good but with a little Gilmour input it'd be great |
Funnily enough, you speak the truth. I'm listening to the album now, and it's good, but it lacks the punch that Gilmour could've provided, were he there.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree. I had it on last night, and Gilmour, IMHO, would not have added anything at all. The power of that album lies within the narrative and the power & feeling behind it. Add to that the exceptional guitar work by Snowy White & Andy Fairweather-Low, and it's hard for these ears to see how it could be any better.
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Bonnek
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Posted: December 13 2009 at 14:18 |
Hard to say, when it comes to solo albums, Gilmour has at least one album I can listen to. Waters none, too self-indulgent and pointless. On the other hand, when it comes to PF I'd certainly pick DSOTM + Animals(Waters) above Wish You Were Here (Gilmour) But then Meddle is my favorite and that's a Gilmour one. This is too hard, I wish I hadn't even started to try answering this
Edited by Bonnek - December 13 2009 at 14:19
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 13 2009 at 22:18 |
lazland wrote:
Elderflower Man wrote:
The Truth wrote:
They are nothing without each other. Amused to Death was good but with a little Gilmour input it'd be great | Funnily enough, you speak the truth. I'm listening to the album now, and it's good, but it lacks the punch that Gilmour could've provided, were he there. | Sorry, but I have to disagree. I had it on last night, and Gilmour, IMHO, would not have added anything at all. The power of that album lies within the narrative and the power & feeling behind it. Add to that the exceptional guitar work by Snowy White & Andy Fairweather-Low, and it's hard for these ears to see how it could be any better. |
As a matter of fact, the guitar player on this album is Jeff Beck. And even though on some songs the guitar really sounds cool, there are other in which I think Gilmour could have taken to another level. For me, What God Wants part 3 could have used some more Gilmour-ish guitars. It's a miracle, on the other hand, sounds really cool and I don't think Gilmour could have done much better (I guess it just wouldn't have worked as well with hem). Other songs I don't really bother to remember also might have been much more interesting had the rest of Pink Floyd helped.
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 13 2009 at 22:49 |
Bonnek wrote:
Hard to say, when it comes to solo albums, Gilmour has at least one album I can listen to. Waters none, too self-indulgent and pointless.On the other hand, when it comes to PF I'd certainly pick DSOTM + Animals(Waters) above Wish You Were Here (Gilmour)But then Meddle is my favorite and that's a Gilmour one. This is too hard, I wish I hadn't even started to try answering this
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I don't think you could say this albums were Waters or Gilmour's, they were in all the meaning Pink Floyd's, with input from all members... well, not Animals, there Waters certainly took a more dominant role than before, but even on this album, Dogs is co-written with Gilmour, and as far as I understan, Dogs is mainly Gilmour's baby, and that song is certainly a very important part of the album. As far as DSotM is concerned, I guess that's one of the most collaborative albums. Time, Great Gig, Us and Them, and Any color you like all have about nothing to do with Waters (except the lyrics, ofcourse), and that alone makes about half of the album.
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Bonnek
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 15:38 |
Dellinger wrote:
Bonnek wrote:
Hard to say, when it comes to solo albums, Gilmour has at least one album I can listen to. Waters none, too self-indulgent and pointless.On the other hand, when it comes to PF I'd certainly pick DSOTM + Animals(Waters) above Wish You Were Here (Gilmour)But then Meddle is my favorite and that's a Gilmour one. This is too hard, I wish I hadn't even started to try answering this
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I don't think you could say this albums were Waters or Gilmour's, they were in all the meaning Pink Floyd's, with input from all members... well, not Animals, there Waters certainly took a more dominant role than before, but even on this album, Dogs is co-written with Gilmour, and as far as I understan, Dogs is mainly Gilmour's baby, and that song is certainly a very important part of the album. As far as DSotM is concerned, I guess that's one of the most collaborative albums. Time, Great Gig, Us and Them, and Any color you like all have about nothing to do with Waters (except the lyrics, ofcourse), and that alone makes about half of the album. |
Yes you are wright about DSOTM. But Animals definitely feels more waters to me as he sings more there, besides Gilmour never played any Animals stuff live since the split. But then again I love that album most of all for its guitars. Ehm... Am I still making sense? Let me try once more. When it comes to Floyd I like them both equally, when it comes to solo work I'd pick Gilmour.
Edited by Bonnek - December 17 2009 at 15:39
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 16:53 |
Bonnek wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Bonnek wrote:
Hard to say, when it comes to solo albums, Gilmour has at least one album I can listen to. Waters none, too self-indulgent and pointless.On the other hand, when it comes to PF I'd certainly pick DSOTM + Animals(Waters) above Wish You Were Here (Gilmour)But then Meddle is my favorite and that's a Gilmour one. This is too hard, I wish I hadn't even started to try answering this
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I don't think you could say this albums were Waters or Gilmour's, they were in all the meaning Pink Floyd's, with input from all members... well, not Animals, there Waters certainly took a more dominant role than before, but even on this album, Dogs is co-written with Gilmour, and as far as I understan, Dogs is mainly Gilmour's baby, and that song is certainly a very important part of the album. As far as DSotM is concerned, I guess that's one of the most collaborative albums. Time, Great Gig, Us and Them, and Any color you like all have about nothing to do with Waters (except the lyrics, ofcourse), and that alone makes about half of the album. |
Yes you are wright about DSOTM. But Animals definitely feels more waters to me as he sings more there, besides Gilmour never played any Animals stuff live since the split. But then again I love that album most of all for its guitars. Ehm... Am I still making sense? Let me try once more. When it comes to Floyd I like them both equally, when it comes to solo work I'd pick Gilmour.
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That's because Roger got the rights to play Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut live, while the band got the rights to play all the other music live. Dogs really features some of Gilmour's finest moments though, the guitar solos all are hauntingly good.
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Bonnek
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 17:44 |
^ Interesting, and I'm quite sure Gilmour wasn't heartbroken about the Final Cut rights! Luckily he kept playing Wall material. rules !
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yface1
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 21:57 |
Is this even a serious poll? David Gilmour is without doubt the clear choice here. No offence to Mr Waters but.... its like trying to convince matthew mcconaughey that he's a bad actor. I'm sorry, I went off topic....... David Gilmour.
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A Person
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 22:01 |
yface1 wrote:
Is this even a serious poll? David Gilmour is without doubt the clear choice here. No offence to Mr Waters but.... its like trying to convince matthew mcconaughey that he's a bad actor. I'm sorry, I went off topic....... David Gilmour. |
Hmm, why is David Gilmour inherently better than Waters? Just wondering why you picked Gilmour.
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yface1
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 22:12 |
A Person wrote:
yface1 wrote:
Is this even a serious poll? David Gilmour is without doubt the clear choice here. No offence to Mr Waters but.... its like trying to convince matthew mcconaughey that he's a bad actor. I'm sorry, I went off topic....... David Gilmour. |
Hmm, why is David Gilmour inherently better than Waters? Just wondering why you picked Gilmour.
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Wonder no more... I chose David Gilmour for no other reason than this; If you exclude both artists work in Pink Floyd (Cause lets be honest here, they each had a hand in the masterpieces that are The Wall, Animals etc...) then you can really look at their work as individuals. It is here that they really got to display their true colors and I am of the opinion that David Gilmour's work as a solo-ist clearly identifies him as the undeniable obvious choice for this poll.
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A Person
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 22:15 |
I think the opposite, although Gilmour is a far better musician than Waters, but that is only my opinion.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 22:22 |
It is no revelation that Gilmour could play, and Waters could not compared. They both admitted that, but it is also clear that Waters was the more ambitious, lyrically creative and driven.
Thus, they were as good as each other in Floyd, for without either, Floyd proper did not, and would not exist.
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A Person
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Posted: December 17 2009 at 22:23 |
Any Colour You Like wrote:
It is no revelation that Gilmour could play, and Waters could not compared. They both admitted that, but it is also clear that Waters was the more ambitious, lyrically creative and driven.
Thus, they were as good as each other in Floyd, for without either, Floyd proper did not, and would not exist.
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Yes, Floyd was definitely a case where the whole was greater than the individual parts.
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