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The T wrote: ^That's ridiculous. But then again, it's always the easiest way out. When in problem, call Hitler.   Atheism for the sake of atheism has not killed too many people, ever. Religion for the sake of religion have. If you equate what happened in the cases of single dictators whi in their malignant narcissism decide to obliterate half of mankind with wars that occur because thousands of individuals hate each other's religious beliefs, well... there's no point in Mike replying to you.   Neither Stalin nor Hitler not Pol Pot killed people because they wanted to instill atheism. It was all part of madness/communism/facism/thirst-for-power/.narcisissim and many more things.   Also, when you mention these guys you are only mentioning ONE guy per case... Try to do the same with your religious wars... Why can't you mention one specific dictator responsible for amny religious war? Because they were based ON RELIGION, NOT IN THE MADNESS OF ONE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL.

Well, hell, you have to worship something, I guess.

^Yes... of course. THEY WERE WORSHIPPING THEMSELVES

Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: ^Yes... of course. THEY WERE WORSHIPPING THEMSELVES Well, of course they were. I suppose I should say that those involved in the Crusades, etc., were not following the commands of the Bible (Christ never said to make wars in His name).

You are right.   However, they were following the commands of their religious leaders and their kings, who all carried the blood of God.

Epignosis wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: ^Yes... of course. THEY WERE WORSHIPPING THEMSELVES Well, of course they were. I suppose I should say that those involved in the Crusades, etc., were not following the commands of the Bible (Christ never said to make wars in His name). You are right.   However, they were following the commands of their religious leaders and their kings, who all carried the blood of God. Well, their religious leaders and kings were idiots then.

As I just posted in the general discussions atheist thread, I'm not attacking beliefs here. Just erroneous accusations. Just as I was baffled at Ivan saying that not-believing is faith (?!), I can't believe someone says that those narcissistic idiots like Stalin and Hitler killed because of atheism.

People use guns inappropriately- doesn't mean I'm opposed to gun ownership.  The same can be said about a lot of things people have abused over the years- alcohol, computers...

Hell, you get modern day "Christian" idiots on TV exploiting the faithful. 

The video game Grand Theft Auto said it best:

"Damnation!  No donation, no salvation!"


Edited by Epignosis - December 15 2009 at 17:00

Epignosis wrote: People use guns inappropriately- doesn't mean I'm opposed to gun ownership.  The same can be said about a lot of things people have abused over the years- alcohol, computers...

I had an art history class in College, in which the teacher suggested that religion was the basic building block that made a society, a society.  Religion was important for civilization to develop.  Religion explained why everything was what everything was and why everyone was who everyone was.  Before religion, there was nothing but anarchy.  Religion solved this problem by creating rules.  In its most simplistic form, behave appropriately and you will go to heaven, behave badly and you will go to Hell.  Somewhere along the way, people learned to use this behavioural tool as a way to rule and manipulate.  I'm so sorry that while I live the high life in my castle with feasts every night, you starve and your children are sick, but hey, don't worry, when they die, at least they will go to Heaven and live on eternally in a better place.  Eventually, this turned in to our God is better than their God, and they don't believe in our God, so therefore it is OK to convert them to our God, and if they don't convert then it is Ok to kill them because they are heathens. 

Edited by rushfan4 - December 15 2009 at 17:06

^So do I, and religious fanatics actually use alcohol, guns and computers too, so we better RUN!!! 

The T wrote: ^So do I, and religious fanatics actually use alcohol, guns and computers too, so we better RUN!!!

I've reported you for slandering my family. 

Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: ^So do I, and religious fanatics actually use alcohol, guns and computers too, so we better RUN!!!  I've reported you for slandering my family.

Edited by rushfan4 - December 15 2009 at 17:19