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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Well, how do you interact with the Divine?


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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Well, how do you interact with the Divine? If it doesn't manifest itself in anything supernatural, then I see little difference between you and a true atheist. It's not like atheists cannot appreciate beauty in the world ... or "grandeur" as Dawkins cited Darwin.
 
The quick answer is meditation. The longer answer is devotion to a spiritual practice actually does change your perception of how the world operates. I've spent alot of time on this line of thought, and I'm still a babbling infant in terms of understanding it.
 
The word "supernatural" is meaningless to me. I get that atheists still connect with some of the things that I'm talking about but there a sense of awe that comes when you realize that the VAST majority of reality is beyond our ability to either perceive or understand. That doesn't make it "supernatural," it's completely natural.
 
If I say that my individual self is just a manifestation of an eternal ground of potential self, the Brahman, the Tao, that's going to trip the "supernatural" switches for most atheists. But for me, I just think it's another way to describe how the world works.
 
 
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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I was born into a Jewish/Cristian family and never go to church, so I wouldn't consider myself an atheist, but I could care less.

 

 

Seriously, whats with all the atheists
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I am a sometimes Atheist maybe a Deist occasional Agnostic!  Depends which side of t'bed I got out of.  Sleepy 
 
I have no time for organised religion - invented to keep the masses in their place and keep the rich- wealthy.  Pig
 
 
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I am a sometimes Atheist maybe a Deist occasional Agnostic!  Depends which side of t'bed I got out of.  Sleepy 
 
I have no time for organised religion - invented to keep the masses in their place and keep the rich- wealthy.  Pig
 

I have to say that by and large organized religion has not been positive to humanity.


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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ Well, how do you interact with the Divine? If it doesn't manifest itself in anything supernatural, then I see little difference between you and a true atheist. It's not like atheists cannot appreciate beauty in the world ... or "grandeur" as Dawkins cited Darwin.
 
The quick answer is meditation. The longer answer is devotion to a spiritual practice actually does change your perception of how the world operates. I've spent alot of time on this line of thought, and I'm still a babbling infant in terms of understanding it.
 
The word "supernatural" is meaningless to me. I get that atheists still connect with some of the things that I'm talking about but there a sense of awe that comes when you realize that the VAST majority of reality is beyond our ability to either perceive or understand. That doesn't make it "supernatural," it's completely natural.
 
If I say that my individual self is just a manifestation of an eternal ground of potential self, the Brahman, the Tao, that's going to trip the "supernatural" switches for most atheists. But for me, I just think it's another way to describe how the world works.
 
 


Hinduism comes in many forms, and some of them are undoubtedly "theistic". One key criterium is whether or not the belief system demands certain actions or behavior in order to receive certain benefits (in hinduism that would be reincarnation, karma etc). If you believe in something transcendental that might be interacted with or is affecting us in any guiding way depending on our actions, then IMO that would be neither agnostic nor atheistic.
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Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink

He's tired and needed to take a vacation.  But when he comes back, you'd better watch out because she will be really pissed at what we've been up to.  Be sure and look like you're busy. Tongue


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With no other choice left, I declare that I'm atheist. Strong one I think. Like anybody give a (dirty word) about it.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink

He's tired and needed to take a vacation.  But when he comes back, you'd better watch out because she will be really pissed at what we've been up to.  Be sure and look like you're busy. Tongue
 
I am waiting on the Post - CardWink LOL
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
No, not quite. Tongue
 
I believe that mankind had a need for a god-head in the past and so created one, but now that need is obsolete (see post-theism).
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Seriously, whats with all the atheists

Is the collective noun an acongregation of atheists?
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I am a sometimes Atheist maybe a Deist occasional Agnostic!  Depends which side of t'bed I got out of.  Sleepy 
 
I have no time for organised religion - invented to keep the masses in their place and keep the rich- wealthy.  Pig
 

I have to say that by and large organized religion has not been positive to humanity.
 
As far as I can see the negatives far outweigh the positives.
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
No, not quite. Tongue
 
I believe that mankind had a need for a god-head in the past and so created one, but now that need is obsolete (see post-theism).


"Post-Theism uses religious doctrine for the non-religious purposes, using sacred texts as facilitators of enlightenment and edification rather than rituals and piety."





Dean is just rebelling against the Nu-Theism movement.  Tongue


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
No, not quite. Tongue
 
I believe that mankind had a need for a god-head in the past and so created one, but now that need is obsolete (see post-theism).


"Post-Theism uses religious doctrine for the non-religious purposes, using sacred texts as facilitators of enlightenment and edification rather than rituals and piety."





Dean is just rebelling against the Nu-Theism movement.  Tongue
Interesting quote there Rob - got a source for that?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
No, not quite. Tongue
 
I believe that mankind had a need for a god-head in the past and so created one, but now that need is obsolete (see post-theism).


"Post-Theism uses religious doctrine for the non-religious purposes, using sacred texts as facilitators of enlightenment and edification rather than rituals and piety."





Dean is just rebelling against the Nu-Theism movement.  Tongue
Interesting quote there Rob - got a source for that?


Sort of.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:


Hinduism comes in many forms, and some of them are undoubtedly "theistic". One key criterium is whether or not the belief system demands certain actions or behavior in order to receive certain benefits (in hinduism that would be reincarnation, karma etc). If you believe in something transcendental that might be interacted with or is affecting us in any guiding way depending on our actions, then IMO that would be neither agnostic nor atheistic.
 
First of all, I'm currently learning from Hindu sources but wouldn't presume to call myself any type of Hindu. Karma is tricky because in a soft form I think it's absolutely true. In an oversimplified, concrete form it seems pretty doubtful to me. Reincarnation to me is like saying "will another wave arise from the ocean after that wave is reabsorbed." Of course one will. Does an individual soul come back as a goat? Almost for sure not in any way a human could actually understand.
 
So we get into metaphors that point to something, and as soon as we try to nail it down, things it tricky. After just enjoying an hour of George Carlin's ideas, I realize many people think it's all just caca. But the fact is that there is an enormous proportion of how the universe works that we don't understand and probably aren't even capable of understanding. Which, to me make hard atheism just as much an easy cop-out as fundamentalism.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Post-theist.


So you believe that there *was* a God? Usually it's assumed that He's eternal/immortal, so where did He go?Wink
No, not quite. Tongue
 
I believe that mankind had a need for a god-head in the past and so created one, but now that need is obsolete (see post-theism).


"Post-Theism uses religious doctrine for the non-religious purposes, using sacred texts as facilitators of enlightenment and edification rather than rituals and piety."

Dean is just rebelling against the Nu-Theism movement.  Tongue
Interesting quote there Rob - got a source for that?


Sort of.
LOL very good - and not wholly inaccurate. Wink
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