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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ If little by little everything the bible says is meant to be read idiomatically, it's longer a religion ... it's myth. Which is exactly how I see it.


If little by little everything in the newspaper is meant to be read idiomatically, it's not longer news.

Some things in the Bible are literal, some are figurative.  Just like pretty much every piece of writing ever made.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

^ lol! Well, I was a dedicated Christian for my whole life up until this year, so I really did try to accept EVERYTHING about that story; not just its scientific contradictions.

I hope you can forgtive me my sinful ways and still consider yourself my friend, though. ''Refulgance'' still stands on my top most anticipated albums list. Hug


I appreciate that.  Smile

By the way, I am fairly convinced that the sun standing still business is meant to be read idiomatically. Smile

I know, Robert. I used to try and explain away all the Bible's contradictions as well, but after years of cherry-picking which passages shpuld be taken literal, which passages were being misinterprerated, etc. I realized that I was trying to justify something that was unjustifiable.

Or at least . . . that's how I feel these days. Who knows . . . ''pray for me'' and maybe I'll find my way back. LOL

Until then, let's just all enjoy the beauty of Prog, nomatter how it got here. Wink
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 12:59
^ If little by little everything the bible says is meant to be read idiomatically, it's longer a religion ... it's myth. Which is exactly how I see it.

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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Basically I am a creationist. It is too hard to believe for me that more developed life forms are evolved out of simple ones or that human beings are the offspring of some sort of monkey. Even a look in the mirror cannot change my mind LOL.


We certainly aren't offsprings of monkeys ... it would be more accurate to say that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. But read the book that I linked to on the previous page ... Dawkins presents all the evidence anyone should need to understand how all this could happen.

Don't bother trying to explain how evolution actually works to this man. He obviously has never had a true science class in his life.
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

^ lol! Well, I was a dedicated Christian for my whole life up until this year, so I really did try to accept EVERYTHING about that story; not just its scientific contradictions.

I hope you can forgtive me my sinful ways and still consider yourself my friend, though. ''Refulgance'' still stands on my top most anticipated albums list. Hug


I appreciate that.  Smile

By the way, I am fairly convinced that the sun standing still business is meant to be read idiomatically. Smile
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Basically I am a creationist. It is too hard to believe for me that more developed life forms are evolved out of simple ones or that human beings are the offspring of some sort of monkey. Even a look in the mirror cannot change my mind LOL.


We certainly aren't offsprings of monkeys ... it would be more accurate to say that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor. But read the book that I linked to on the previous page ... Dawkins presents all the evidence anyone should need to understand how all this could happen.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Basically I am a creationist. It is too hard to believe for me that more developed life forms are evolved out of simple ones or that human beings are the offspring of some sort of monkey. Even a look in the mirror cannot change my mind LOL.

Yes, because somebody snapping their fingers to bring everything into existence without any scientific support is SO much more logical. LOL
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Basically I am a creationist. It is too hard to believe for me that more developed life forms are evolved out of simple ones or that human beings are the offspring of some sort of monkey. Even a look in the mirror cannot change my mind LOL.
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^ lol! Well, I was a dedicated Christian for my whole life up until this year, so I really did try to accept EVERYTHING about that story; not just its scientific contradictions.

I hope you can forgtive me my sinful ways and still consider yourself my friend, though. ''Refulgance'' still stands on my top most anticipated albums list. Hug
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Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

The story where God stops the sun in the sky finally pushed me all the way over to the evolution camp. LOL



Really?  It's usually the reason why the "sun stopped" that people take issue with.  Wink
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The story where God stops the sun in the sky finally pushed me all the way over to the evolution camp. LOL
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I'm with George Carlin & Richard Dawkins on this. Invisible man in the sky ?
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Your all a bunch of communist liberals, with all your socialism!!!!!! Not too mention you are destroying the world.Wink
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^ There's a good book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259430683&sr=8-1

"Creation" as described in the bible is simply hugely contradictive with the process of evolution, which is totally driven by natural selection and not at all compatible with the idea of a "creator" or "architect" guiding the process.
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2009 at 11:45
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

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Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.


The thing is that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ... one rules out the other. So ... how would you vote?

Why are they exclusive?
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

None.

The entire Earth was inhabited by alien seeds - and these aliens were all looking like Erich von Daniken.

However, the uninhabited Earth itself was created by divinity - and it's standing on the back of the giant turtle.

The Earth is round, not flat; it won't roll off the turtle because it's nested in Steven Hawking's wheel chair. With brakes.



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Although I do believe in evolution as fact, I have also been on a stag night in the Highlands of Scotland which made the Cro-Magnon appear quite urbane and possibly effete.
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.


The thing is that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ... one rules out the other. So ... how would you vote?
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-disturbing-ways-the-human-body-will-evolve-in-the-future/

That was disturbing in a good way. Confused
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