Pink Floyd and Prog Music

Of course Pink Floyd is prog...probably the most eclectic prog group: psychedelic, space rock, symphonic, rock, blues, jazz, pop, ópera rock, concept albums, good lyrics...they are the epitome of Progressive Rock.
Of course Dark Side of the Moon has pop elements, but Genesis has pop elements (with Phil Collins and with Gabriel), YES has pop elements, Jethro Tull has pop elements...who cares if DSOTM has pop elements...

Really...can you explain that?

WalterDigsTunes wrote: Floyd = stasis, not progress. They always managed to find a new way of not really doing anything over the course of an LP or two.

Anthony wrote: floydispink wrote: ] TFC has some similarities with The Wall, but definitely is an unique album too.  Unique in its boringness, indeed

floydispink wrote: Anthony wrote: floydispink wrote: ] TFC has some similarities with The Wall, but definitely is an unique album too.  Unique in its boringness, indeed  Nah, unique as one of my top 5 albums. It is very different from previous PF, except The Wall, but it's very emotional and I love it. Roger's vocals are, though not technically good, brilliant on this album. The variation of whispering and shouting is fantastic and often even haunting. I can see why so many people dislike it though.

TFC is not an album you'd want to play every day, but once in a while it is worth dragging out of the CD rack and giving it a spin. Even though there is a feeling that Gilmour was little more than a sessions musician on the album and the lack of Gilmour/Wright vocal harmonies stands out like a sore thumb, he turns out some of the best solos (in places that actually sound as "angry" as Water's vocals and are as emotional as any he's produced before or since). Michael Kamen contribution is pretty special here too and shouldn't be overlooked, managing to capture the essence of Wright and keeping within the Floyd "sound", (minus the "dawn of man" pads), while adding something of his own unique touch, something he would demonstrate again on Gilmour In Concert (filmed during Robert Wyatt's Meltdown at the Royal Festival Hall). Though many people call this a Water's solo album, it is easily the more coherent than any he did as a solo artist and I think this is because he is better when writing to a group format than when given free-reign. Boring? No, not really.

I think they were prog since the beginning, but it is more noticiable in Wish you were here and Animals. For me those are examples of  exploring new boundaries, the same happens with echoes.

floydispink wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: Floyd = stasis, not progress. They always managed to find a new way of not really doing anything over the course of an LP or two. Your ignorant comments always make me laugh. So does this one.  Pink Floyd clearly evolved after every album, whether you like it or not, but they never did have the excact same style on multiple albums. Definitely in there early period the music kept taking different shapes. From the psychedelic pop songs to spacey soundscapes and experimental rock. Also in their 70's era they constantly kept evolving. Meddle shows some jazz elements while the psychedelic origins of the band also clearly are present. DSOTM shows a more pop orientated band. WYWH also is pop orientated, but in a totally different way, and also Shine On has some psychedelic elements in it. Animals clearly is less poppy and more striking and heavy. The Wall also clearly is different from anything they've done before and TFC has some similarities with The Wall, but definitely is an unique album too. MLOR and The Division Bell also are poles apart, the one is almost hard rock while the other is pop.

This is a band in which the guitarist played three guitar notes a minute, the keyboard player held a note for eight minutes, the drummer played what were at best pedestrian patterns and the singer babbled on about his daddy issues. They managed to meander through various textures over the years, yet their music involves doing very little. Lazy musicians, more than anything else.

WalterDigsTunes wrote: floydispink wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: Floyd = stasis, not progress. They always managed to find a new way of not really doing anything over the course of an LP or two. Your ignorant comments always make me laugh. So does this one.  Pink Floyd clearly evolved after every album, whether you like it or not, but they never did have the excact same style on multiple albums. Definitely in there early period the music kept taking different shapes. From the psychedelic pop songs to spacey soundscapes and experimental rock. Also in their 70's era they constantly kept evolving. Meddle shows some jazz elements while the psychedelic origins of the band also clearly are present. DSOTM shows a more pop orientated band. WYWH also is pop orientated, but in a totally different way, and also Shine On has some psychedelic elements in it. Animals clearly is less poppy and more striking and heavy. The Wall also clearly is different from anything they've done before and TFC has some similarities with The Wall, but definitely is an unique album too. MLOR and The Division Bell also are poles apart, the one is almost hard rock while the other is pop.  This is a band in which the guitarist played three guitar notes a minute, the keyboard player held a note for eight minutes, the drummer played what were at best pedestrian patterns and the singer babbled on about his daddy issues. They managed to meander through various textures over the years, yet their music involves doing very little. Lazy musicians, more than anything else.

WalterDigsTunes wrote: floydispink wrote: WalterDigsTunes wrote: Floyd = stasis, not progress. They always managed to find a new way of not really doing anything over the course of an LP or two. Your ignorant comments always make me laugh. So does this one.  Pink Floyd clearly evolved after every album, whether you like it or not, but they never did have the excact same style on multiple albums. Definitely in there early period the music kept taking different shapes. From the psychedelic pop songs to spacey soundscapes and experimental rock. Also in their 70's era they constantly kept evolving. Meddle shows some jazz elements while the psychedelic origins of the band also clearly are present. DSOTM shows a more pop orientated band. WYWH also is pop orientated, but in a totally different way, and also Shine On has some psychedelic elements in it. Animals clearly is less poppy and more striking and heavy. The Wall also clearly is different from anything they've done before and TFC has some similarities with The Wall, but definitely is an unique album too. MLOR and The Division Bell also are poles apart, the one is almost hard rock while the other is pop.  This is a band in which the guitarist played three guitar notes a minute, the keyboard player held a note for eight minutes, the drummer played what were at best pedestrian patterns and the singer babbled on about his daddy issues. They managed to meander through various textures over the years, yet their music involves doing very little. Lazy musicians, more than anything else.

Look, I'm usually the last person to defend PF, but they're anything but lazy. They've written some brilliant songs over the years, and every album of theirs has a track or two to die for. I agree about David Gilmour - I think he's an incredibly overrated guitarist, but he has still written some of the best solos of all time.
By looking at your two comments about this stuff, it seems like you're against PF because they're not technical musicians, but they never tried to be, and they never will be. They're brilliant songwriters and thats enough for me to get massive enjoyment out of them, and I genuinely don't think you can say they haven't progressed. Listen to A Saucerful Of Secrets, and then Animals, and tell me they haven't done anything new.

Trianium wrote: Gilmour overrated? i think he is not overrated. He has his own stile different and original...probably he is less technical than Page or Hackett, but i enjoy more his solos. It's my opinion, i think he is not overrated.

I think he is a very good guitarist, and I like him a lot, although I think he is a lot more limited than a lot of other guitarists. I also love his solos, but I wouldn't say he's one of the best guitarists ever.