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M27Barney 
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 Posted: November 12 2009 at 04:17 |
I am currently reading a Floyd Biography "Pigs might Fly", I am no Floyd fan and think they are possibly one of the most overrated bands of all time (in prog terms but not POP!) (along with the Beatles and the Smiths). Gilmour's stand out work is the start of SOYCD (the Floyds' only work along with Echoes that gets anywhere near the prog standards I expect but still outdone by Camel/Yes/Genesis/ELP/IQ/DT/TFKs) is very good but his guitar work is pedestrian compared with Howe/Hackett/Stolte/Petrucci/Holmes/Latimer.
DSOTM is so OVERRATED I had to give it one star (it may be worth 1.5 for Any Colour....).
As for Waters ??? Floyd's music - mostly slow, Squire could probably play the bass licks with his knob....
Songwriter?? - No Waters has an EGO that is a billion times bigger than his talent.
rant over.....
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 10:12 |
 LOUDTRAX wrote:
About Face is really good as well. Also, the Gilmour DVD "David Gilmour in Concert..." where he plays the Bizet piece, great band and the back vocals section on that show were just amazing. Has anyone heard the Rogers Waters opera? |
Opera is very better than DISCO-POP. 
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 10:14 |
snobb wrote:
Waters. Gilmor is not bad guitar-guy, but Waters is author of Pink Floydian dark lyrics and atmosphere. Pink Floyd without Waters is in fact David Gilmour band = average rock band, never more |
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 13:07 |
Waters: Great songwriter (probably one of the best in history). Mediocre bassist. Weird voice. Gilmour: Great guitarrist, great voice. Capable bassist. Mediocre songwriter. What about Wright? He was a good singer and composer. Mason: Underrated drummer. Barrett: Great songwriter...BETTER than Waters...more innovative than Waters. 'The Piper at the Gates of Dawn', 'Live at Pompeii','Meddle', 'Dark Side of the Moon', 'Wish you Were Here', 'Animals' ,'The Wall', 'Pulse'...ttheir influence in music is as Huge as the band is and people think they're overrated...  About the question: i think Waters without Gilmour...and of course, Gilmour without Waters is nothing.
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 21:41 |
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Waters doesn't consider himself a bassist, he considers himself a songwriter who happened to end up playing bass on his band.
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 23:25 |
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David Gilmour
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 16:12 |
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Comparing solo work, I vote for Waters
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 16:39 |
This poll would have been a lot more interesting provided that the OP question was "Who would win in a fight between D.G. and R.W.?" 
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A Person
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Posted: November 16 2009 at 16:40 |
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I think I'd put my money on Waters.
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Posted: November 17 2009 at 03:27 |
I would vote Waters if I had to vote. Floyd's genius owes more to Waters than it does to Gilmour. The worst bits are also down to Waters but they don't matter.
Personality wise Waters got really unpleasant from 1976 to the mid 90s . His treatment of Wright was unforgivable. Nowadays Waters seems the nicer of the two though. Gilmour's got a bit grumpy.
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Anthony
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:12 |
Waters can't sing, can't play an instrument, all he ever did was writing lyrics, and recycling music (Compare "Time" to "Have a cigar" to "Pigs", compare "Comfortably numb" to "The Final Cut", or "Pigs on the wing" to "Mother" etc. etc.) Then we have David Gilmour who admits that writing lyrics is his weakest point, but man, can he play guitar and write amazing music! Who cares about lyrics? Once you've heard Waters' misantropy, you've heard all his post Dark Side-stuff. And the story of "Radio KAOS" is totally moronic!
GILMOUR RULES!!!
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Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love
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A Person
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:22 |
Anthony wrote:
Waters can't sing, can't play an instrument, all he ever did was writing lyrics, and recycling music (Compare "Time" to "Have a cigar" to "Pigs", compare "Comfortably numb" to "The Final Cut", or "Pigs on the wing" to "Mother" etc. etc.)Then we have David Gilmour who admits that writing lyrics is his weakest point, but man, can he play guitar and write amazing music! Who cares about lyrics? Once you've heard Waters' misantropy, you've heard all his post Dark Side-stuff. And the story of "Radio KAOS" is totally moronic!
GILMOUR RULES!!! |
Waters my not have been a musician, but he was good at composing and story telling. PF probably wouldn't have had nearly as good songs without his contribution. As far as solo albums, Amused to Death is my favorite out of all PF members.
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Anthony
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:27 |
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Storytelling? What storytelling? It's mostly "boo hoo hoo, the world is bad and my daddy is dead, so I hate the world and anyone who f*cks me up in whatever way"
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A Person
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:29 |
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The concept of Animals for one.
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Anthony
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:37 |
There isn't any! It's recycling two older songs rejected for "Wish you were here", adding a reworking of "Have a cigar" and bookending it with two versions of a song only lasting for 85 seconds.
And I don't consider "Big man, pig man, haha charade you are" as great lyric writing.
Edited by Anthony - November 20 2009 at 17:38
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A Person
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:38 |
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I see no similarities myself. What is the same, besides they use a guitar in both?
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Anthony
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:39 |
Similar chord sequence, only in a different key.
Try singing the lyrics of "Have a cigar" over "Pigs" and you'll find the similarity.
Edited by Anthony - November 20 2009 at 17:40
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A Person
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:41 |
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The song structure is different, and the main point I was making was the concept of the album; Waters reducing and categorizing humanity into animals.
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:43 |
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Ever heard of the book "Animal Farm"? So that idea wasn't very original
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Posted: November 20 2009 at 17:46 |
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I know about Animal Farm, but I don't think it is the same. Animal Farm is a political allegory, but it didn't go as far as Animals.
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