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rdtprog
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Posted: October 21 2009 at 14:06 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
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As to the question about Howe's recording of CttE in one take and those sessions being his favourites, I really have no idea, but perhaps on the site of Notes from the Edge, which includes many interviews, there could be an answer if you want to spend some time reading to them. |
I have grave doubts about the one take part of this. Yes did very little in one take during Offord's tenure after Time and a Word. |
Here's a quote from 1993 by Steve Howe talking about his 3 first albums : "My first 3 Yes albums (The Yes album, Fragile and Close...)are all pretty much of the same link. They wer done in quite a short, very intense span of time, and to me they are pretty inseparable. I like all of them for different reasons, but currently looking back, I quite like Close to the Edge." taken from Yes Stories by Tim Morse 1996
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 21 2009 at 23:09 |
Yes, we know that they were done quickly and intensely. I still have my doubts about much of them being done in one take, though.
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rdtprog
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 07:28 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Yes, we know that they were done quickly and intensely. I still have my doubts about much of them being done in one take, though. |
No that's not the case, they were many rehearsals. The main song was done quickly but they made a lot of changes on it where every member was not satisfied with the arrangements.
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 11:22 |
rdtprog wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Yes, we know that they were done quickly and intensely. I still have my doubts about much of them being done in one take, though. |
No that's not the case, they were many rehearsals. The main song was done quickly but they made a lot of changes on it where every member was not satisfied with the arrangements.
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Perhaps it was a single take - in other words not necessarily the first take - in which the electric guitar take you hear across the song Close to the Edge was done without stopping tape. Of course, this would have been only after lord knows how much rehearsal. Anyway, that's what I think I remember reading somewhere, like, 20 years ago. As I said before, I could have this wrong.
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Dellinger
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Posted: October 22 2009 at 22:02 |
So, I guess most of us agree that the better drummer between Bruford and White is Bruford. But which is your favourite drumming from any of them both? I know just about nothing from their solo discography, but as far as I've heard, my favourite is White's drumming on Anne of Cleves from Wakeman's 6 Wives. Amazing frantic drumming throughout all of the song.
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Posted: October 23 2009 at 01:35 |
I've met Steve Howe and Rodger Dean and they both signed my CttE and Relayer records. Then I saw them live the next night... they were amazing. They're one of my favorite prog bands.
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 23 2009 at 12:44 |
Dellinger wrote:
So, I guess most of us agree that the better drummer between Bruford and White is Bruford. But which is your favourite drumming from any of them both? I know just about nothing from their solo discography, but as far as I've heard, my favourite is White's drumming on Anne of Cleves from Wakeman's 6 Wives. Amazing frantic drumming throughout all of the song. |
Hard to think of my favorite drumming by the Yes drummers, because there's so much. I'll give it more thought, but right off the bat live Perpetual Change off Yessongs is a major for me. The feel in the regular parts of the song are great, alternating spaceousness with intensity - and the drum solo, well, what can you say....
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 05:41 |
White's drumming on That, That Is finally convinced me to forgive him for taking Bruford's place.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 05:47 |
I seem to remember Offord mentioning in an interview somewhere that, after the band had released an album, they had to learn to play the songs live. I know I've read articles about incessant stopping of tape in regards to Relayer and the ensemble songs on Fragile.(also America recorded around that same time.) I still have grave doubts.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 05:58 |
For me Bruford's drumming on Heart Of The Sunrise.
And for Alan White: I quite like his drumming on Release Release (Tormato).
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 15:42 |
I'll say Bruford is the unsung hero of Fragile.
White impresses me most on the Going For The One album.
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 16:54 |
I love Broof on Heart of the Sunrise too. I continue to be fascinated by that whole section early on, the one that is mainly bass and drums, with mellotron chords then coming in and eventually the guitar fading in on the riff. One of the coolest things ever done in prog. And Bruford's thoughtful drumming across it is just the tops.
Here's another one: who else would have thought of - how would someone else have thought of - that wicked part on the verses of Long Distance Runaround?
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 19:06 |
BTW, once I started a thread asking people for their favorite drum fill in a prog song, not a solo, just a fill. Someone replied that the three tom hits by Bruford on Close to the Edge - after the lengthy introduction is done and the section starts that contains the first words of the song - gets them every time. I gushed concurrence! It is just the thing, isn't it?! His playing across that whole album is just wonderful. The 'Eclipse' section of And You And I is sublime, as I know I've said elsewhere. I notice it's credited to Bruford and Squire, incidentally.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 20:32 |
Moogtron III wrote:
For me Bruford's drumming on Heart Of The Sunrise.
And for Alan White: I quite like his drumming on Release Release (Tormato).
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Yes, that's very good. And his work on Ritual is outstanding and parts of GFTO (as mentioned by Bitterblogger) are also outstanding. But I never felt that he REALLY lived up to Bruford's legacy until I heard That, That Is. Sure, it's a severely flawed epic, but some of the things White is doing in that are outstanding enough to punch him up to Bruford's level, given his historical output as well.
At least that's how I feel about it. I realized that That, That Is doesn't get a whole lot of love from Yes fans, even though the 70% of it that isn't utter crap is pretty darn good.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 20:34 |
American Khatru wrote:
I love Broof on Heart of the Sunrise too. I continue to be fascinated by that whole section early on, the one that is mainly bass and drums, with mellotron chords then coming in and eventually the guitar fading in on the riff. One of the coolest things ever done in prog. And Bruford's thoughtful drumming across it is just the tops.
Here's another one: who else would have thought of - how would someone else have thought of - that wicked part on the verses of Long Distance Runaround? |
HotS is the song that more or less established Bruford's undeserved reputation as a soulless technical master.
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 21:10 |
Funny, I really always have preferred Alan's drumming in the Yes sound. 'Awaken', to me, is his finest moment.
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 28 2009 at 08:45 |
Not that there aren't other moments to recommend him, but I think White's best drumming is on Relayer, with Gates and Sound Chaser. Frankly, That, That Is is okay but it pretty much may just as well be anybody there; I don't see it as special.
edit : I'll add that I think his best drumming accross one entire album is on Drama. Very smart and appropriate parts, wonderfully played.
Edited by American Khatru - October 28 2009 at 08:48
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: October 28 2009 at 20:03 |
I surely don't claim that That, That Is something special. And I don't claim that it is White's best performance either. All I claim is that White's performance on it was the straw that tipped the scale towards White and away from Bruford for me.
But I suggest that if it weren't for those insipid parts with Anderson singing about a drive-by and a very few other weak parts, we would speak of That, That Is as the last Yes classic track instead of In The Presence Of.
Edited by ghost_of_morphy - October 28 2009 at 20:06
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American Khatru
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Posted: October 29 2009 at 06:57 |
^ I see what you meant.
But really? I don't agree. Well, different strokes...
How do you like Drama?
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Posted: October 29 2009 at 17:33 |
For both Anderson and Wakeman to quit, and Yes to decide to carry on, took courage. For it to involve two practically unknown musicians more attuned to New Wave than progressive rock, was risky. The resulting Drama was not only a clever title, but actually delivered two great numbers to the Yes repertoire: Tempus Fugit and Machine Messiah (Into The Lens isn't bad either). Can you think of other groups who've parted ways with two of their most popular members, including the main songwriter, that did as well? I can only think of disasters, like the J Geils Band, or "pushes", like with 10 cc.
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