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The Block

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Posted: October 30 2009 at 16:07

By Neal Morse

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Textbook

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Posted: October 29 2009 at 23:15

There are some situations where you should never bring up prog though. A hot tub for example.

The Block

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Posted: October 29 2009 at 17:42

I hate it when people are automaticly turned off when you mention prog.

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Posted: October 28 2009 at 15:58

Good on you man! Music is too big of a gift and adventure to be genre-biased. Though thats what most people do. Whatever, it makes my concert tickets a lot cheaper, somtimes.......cough* Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree *cough

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Posted: October 27 2009 at 20:29

yes0genesis wrote:

I seem to be the only country listener on this forum haha! And pop and hip-hop for that matter.

that seems to be the general atomsphere, but I for one listen to country, pop, hip-hop, and any other genre someone puts in front of me. I try to dislike music based on whether I enjoy the specific artist or song, not based on the generalities or stereotypes of a genre

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Posted: October 27 2009 at 16:58

Be careful what you say about country, some of the best players in the world are country players. I seem to be the only country listener on this forum haha! And pop and hip-hop for that matter. Getting back on topic though, I live with some pretty cool housemates whom I have opened the floodgate of prog to, so listening to music collectively is not a problem, until I come in with my metal/country/hiphop/electronic/salsa/jazz/ other musical forms that suffer much criticism by the average person.

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Posted: October 27 2009 at 16:26

I don't feel enough people understand the complexity of prog, arguably one of the most complex musical forms created. Popular music like hip-hop, rap, country, pop, and alternative all have such simple and repetitive composition that few people know what good songwriting actually is.

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Posted: October 26 2009 at 12:56

Vompatti wrote:

They are never around. Cry

Maybe if you didn't come off as a stalker Winona would come around.

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Posted: October 26 2009 at 09:50

Manuel wrote:

npoczynek wrote:

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

What is it with people that complain prog all sounds the same? I've been going through a big Marillion phase lately. I play it all the time and I know for a fact one of the guys I live with (the DT and PT fan) hears it all the time. But sometime's he'll walk into my room when I've got something completely different on and he always says something like "who's this? Marillion?" Then I told him about Transatlantic a couple of times and showed him some of their stuff (he's a Portnoy fan and is somewhat familiar with Nearl Morse). The next day I was playing Riverside and he asked me if it was Transatlantic.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous".

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it.

It seems like if someone hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise. It's pretty frustrating.

One problem I find with almost everyone is that they don't really listen to the music. The vast majority of people just listen to the beat and the tune, and if it sounds catchy they label it as a good song. Prog has to be listened to, to be understood, so you most focus on composition, arrangements, orchestration, etc. That seems to be too much for the average person, so they perceive as "it's all the same" mainly meaning "it's too much for me to comprehend it", or something similar.

Yeah... most people just listen to the beat and the melody, but they think the melody is only the singing voice... so, whenever I show a song to someone, they stares at me for about a complete minute or two and I can notice that their are getting bored because they don't listen any singer on it... then is the forced question... "does it an instrumental band...??" and I just tell them to wait... when they finally listen the singer their'e already bored so... is sad...

Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.

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Posted: October 25 2009 at 20:00

emdiar wrote:

I spike their tea and then put some Gong on. No complaints! Mind you, most of my music listening mates are Space Rockers.

No. These days I mostly play my Prog in the car, so as to conceal my shameful passion. Ironically, however, I then proceed to blast it out at deafening volumes with the windows wide. Pedestrians get to be educated, and I don't have to listen to their bitchin'. A perfect arrangement.

I knew someone who regularly exposed his children's friends to Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but luckily Social Services stepped in.

Thats a good father.

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Posted: October 25 2009 at 14:40

I spike their tea and then put some Gong on. No complaints! Mind you, most of my music listening mates are Space Rockers.

I knew someone who regularly exposed his children's friends to Emerson, Lake and Palmer, but luckily Social Services stepped in.

Perception is truth, ergo opinion is fact.

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Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:16

tdfloyd wrote:

Textbook wrote:

Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.

The only exception is when playing "A Collection of Great Dance Songs" by Pink Floyd

I would dance on a lot of prog, like Magma and Zeuhl in general, or space rock like Hidria Spacefolk, Ozric Tentacles, etc. However I don't see these bands in concerts very often or they play in sitting venues (with chairs). That's not fun. And also, you never hear such stuff at the disco, and neither is it fun to play them at home for dancing.

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Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:29

The Truth wrote:

The only semi-prog band I can play without my friends degrading it is Led Zeppelin

That does seem to be the one band that everbdy nows and likes even if all they listen to is pop.

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 22:53

Textbook wrote:

Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.

The only exception is when playing "A Collection of Great Dance Songs" by Pink Floyd

Manuel

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 21:49

npoczynek wrote:

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous".

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it.

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:50

npoczynek wrote:

One thing that bothers me - while we're on the subject of other peoples' reaction to prog music.

Last time I went home I brought a Marillion DVD along with me and my mom started complaining that it all sounded "homogeneous, or a little monotonous".

Most examples I have off the top of my head involve Marillion - maybe that says something about them instead of prog in general - but I still don't get it.

Well, Transatlantic does have Pete Trewavas in it. Also, I can see someone who has only hard Transatlantic and Riverside once mistaking the two. So it's really not someone "hears a couple layers of keyboards, vocals that catch them off-guard, or songs that go through a lot of changes, they just shut off their ears and regard it as noise", it's just that the music sounds similar.

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:42

harmonium.ro wrote:

^ How about your brother?

Before he leaves tonight (to join his friends), he played some electro-disco at a rather loud volume. Usually, I wait for him to go outside to be able to listen to MY music.
A few days ago, he described Einstürzende Neubauten as "the most useless band".
Nevertheless, everyone in my family thinks that I have strange and unsual musical tastes. But I already managed to make my sister to get fond of the Cardiacs.

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:17

The only semi-prog band I can play without my friends degrading it is Led Zeppelin

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:04

^ How about your brother?

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Posted: October 24 2009 at 15:03

I went to the conclusion that most of my friends were dicks. That's why I'm all alone now, listening to metal, free jazz and progressive rock in my flat.