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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2009 at 07:43
Well I've done most of my reviewing of this fantastic band (still waiting for Quadrophenia), but the Who is definitely the most prog of the big four of the 60's (Stnes, Beatles, Kinks and Who)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 10:31
Just the other day, I heard We're Not Gonna Take It on the radio, and that prompted me to go back and revisit Tommy. Ihad pretty much tucked The Who away in the drawer of "bands I used to like and kind of cooled off on". But Tommy is a very, very good album, I seem to have forgotten why it's regarded as one of the classics of rock music. Of course, you can't beat Who's Next in my book, but Tommy and Quadrophenia? Both excellent.
 
As for being the most prog of the big 4? As a Beatles pseudo-fanboy, I kind of take offense to that.....
 
....but then I think about it, and you're totally right! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 11:31

Underture from Tommy is a masterpiece to me. Keith Moon sounds quite like Carl Palmer on this and that is a real plus. Not that he is trying to intentionally trying to  produce a CP style, but his drumming is so progressive here that it is hard not to notice. Entwistle's french horn and Townshend's acoustic playing produce amazing results. I am really taken in by this piece. Tommy was the Who's progressive plateau it seemed. The Who Sell Out was just as monumental as Who's Next, just different in style and musical approach. I died inside the day that Who By Numbers was played on the radio in it's entirety. It no longer had the spark of Who craziness for me. Squeeze Box brought my hopes down of that ever happening again. I bought Who Are You in 79' and was discourged even more. It just didn't feel the same for me. Sometimes I got the impression in the early days, that they might have borrowed from the Kinks. Boris The Spider in particular reminds me of a song right from Village Green Preservation Society. I Can't Explain has a Kinks sound as well. Who's Sell Out and Tommy are both original in content.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 02:53
The Who are amazing. And I believe they are progressive. More so than e.g. Uriah Heep and who know's who. Who could argue with that. Who's horse is in the hallway? 
''progression is trying to eliminate boundries''
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2009 at 14:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 09:55
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I'm a hardcore and faithful fan....But as a fan I wish they would had never been added.
 
I like to think of them as the kings of Rock not as Proto anything. Cry
 
They are the head of Rock not the tail of Prog, OMG, not even worth to be in a real sub-genre. Angry
 
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Don't worry Ivàn,
 
I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!! 
 
One of the (or THE) most exciting drummer ever..........StarStar
One of the bassist that rewrote the handbook of bass playing...... and adding all sorts of brass, which gave The Who a strange edgeClapClap
One of the most amnitious songwriter and guitarist ever...... Maybe not the most virtuoso, but the man knew his fretboard well and pulled an occasional splendid soloHug
one correct singer.... but probably the band's (relative) weaker link, but still a good singerWink
 
Not bad for a bunch of street fighting kidsWink
 
 
Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind..... 
 
But their 70's works (including Tommy of late 69) are simply outstanding ...... They've done everything good except for By Numbers, which is clearly a void. .....
 
 
But in all fairness I wished they'd stopped at Moon's death and never reformed.......
 
I xould like to see one or two official live album releases from the 70's (outside the Leeds thing).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 16:15
Just thought I'd mention that Quadrophenia is quickly creeping up there as my most played album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2009 at 16:47
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Don't worry Ivàn,
 
I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!! 
 
That's the point Sean, I don't believe anybody DESERVES to be here, they belong or don't belong here, but Prog Archives is not an award that anybody deseve.
 
There are terrible Prog bands that belong here and great non Prog bands that don't belong here.
 
I don't believe The Who belong here, but I can live with them in Prog Archives.
 
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind..... 
 
They are also my favorites from the big 4,  with The Beatles far behind. The Stones for me are limeted to "Their Satanic Majesties Request" and the song "Paint it Black", nothinge else moves me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2009 at 02:42
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Don't worry Ivàn,
 
I'd have rather seen them added in prog related along with Zep (which they beat in every dept), but I'm glad they're in PA, COS they deserve it FULLY!!! 
 
That's the point Sean, I don't believe anybody DESERVES to be here, they belong or don't belong here, but Prog Archives is not an award that anybody deseve.
 
There are terrible Prog bands that belong here and great non Prog bands that don't belong here.
 
I don't believe The Who belong here, but I can live with them in Prog Archives.
 
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Of the BIG FOUR of the 60's, they're clearly my preferred ahead (slightly) of the Beatles and chugging Kinks and Stones far behind..... 
 
They are also my favorites from the big 4,  with The Beatles far behind. The Stones for me are limeted to "Their Satanic Majesties Request" and the song "Paint it Black", nothinge else moves me.
 
Cheers
 
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Ivan makes a subtle and far too often overlooked distinction here which I endorse i.e. why should flawed prog be held in higher regard than very good plain vanilla rock music ? For me, both Quadrophenia and Tommy sound like a band clearly overreaching themselves, and although I applaud their ambition, daring and innovation, (isolated parts of both records are legitimately successful prog creations) it seems self evident that only Townshend would have had the requisite vision, stamina and ability to sustain such material further into the Who's future. Daltry, Moon and Entwistle just appear inhibited and uncomfortable on the proggier output. For this reason the routinely dismissed By Numbers is probably my favourite Who album and why ? because Townshend had reconciled himself to both his own and his collaborators limitations and proceeded thereafter to 'just' produce excellent rock music. (As if that wasn't sufficient ?)

Pete Townshend is a brilliant songwriter first and a progressive instrumental composer second.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2009 at 08:52
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:



Ivan makes a subtle and far too often overlooked distinction here which I endorse i.e. why should flawed prog be held in higher regard than very good plain vanilla rock music ? For me, both Quadrophenia and Tommy sound like a band clearly overreaching themselves, and although I applaud their ambition, daring and innovation, (isolated parts of both records are legitimately successful prog creations) it seems self evident that only Townshend would have had the requisite vision, stamina and ability to sustain such material further into the Who's future. Daltry, Moon and Entwistle just appear inhibited and uncomfortable on the proggier output. For this reason the routinely dismissed By Numbers is probably my favourite Who album and why ? because Townshend had reconciled himself to both his own and his collaborators limitations and proceeded thereafter to 'just' produce excellent rock music. (As if that wasn't sufficient ?)

Pete Townshend is a brilliant songwriter first and a progressive instrumental composer second.
 
Good point. Clap

I get really confused when some people say "Why do X band that is so good is not here?"

They seem to believe that being in Prog Archives is like winning an Emmy and that only Prog bands are good.

For God's sake, I won't even dare top compare "Starcastle" with "The Who", "Fleetwood Mac" or even "Boston" in quality, the three mentioned are better than a clone band that brought nothing new and only lived at the shadow of Yes.....But Starcastle are Prog and the others I don't believe so.

Lets put things in it's place, great, good, average,. mediocre, bad and terrible Progressive Rock bands belong here....Excellent non Prog bands, no matter how great they are, don't belong here, because Prog Archives is not a certificate of quality, but a Progressive Rock database.

Iván

BTW: I believe the case of The Who is borderline, even when I don't agree with their inclusion, despite they are among my all time favourite bands, at least Tommy and Quadrophenia have some clear Prog elements.

 
 
            
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2009 at 18:38
Well,I guess the main problem with the 'prog-related' sub-genre(and probably the reason why it's so polemic in the site) is not knowing exactly what specific element in one's music makes it worth the tag.I agree about some clear prog  references in Quadrophenia(not so much for Tommy).But is it enough to justify The Who's entire discography being included here?In therms of artisitc expression they were of undeniable importance in the late 60's,then again the slightest sign of proto-prog is very remote in albums like A Qucik One or Sell Out,although they were very 'progressive' in the sense of being mind-opening and technically controversial at the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2009 at 19:10
Originally posted by Gustavo Froes Gustavo Froes wrote:

Well,I guess the main problem with the 'prog-related' sub-genre(and probably the reason why it's so polemic in the site) is not knowing exactly what specific element in one's music makes it worth the tag.I agree about some clear prog  references in Quadrophenia(not so much for Tommy).But is it enough to justify The Who's entire discography being included here?In therms of artisitc expression they were of undeniable importance in the late 60's,then again the slightest sign of proto-prog is very remote in albums like A Qucik One or Sell Out,although they were very 'progressive' in the sense of being mind-opening and technically controversial at the time.
 
In foirst place, remember I was againstt The Who being added when suggested, but once added, I had yto be honest and accept that at least two albums had some Prog Relation.
 
And according to Prog Archives, one album here = All the discography here.
 
Remember Miles Davis, the site added albums from 1945, almost 20 years before the first ssigns of Proto Prog appeared.
 
Kind of Blue from 1958, when there was no Prog was the most popular album of one week, sounds contradictory, but that's how the site acts, and we have to accept it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 06 2009 at 07:16
BTW, has Quadrophenia ever been remastered or is it still the old Fatboy double jewel case  of the 80's???? ....
 
I've never seen it  in a modern remastered packaging (although I have to admit never searching for it either)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 14 2009 at 08:18

this is pretty prog...a remix of The Who classic  ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb7Ep48cJNQ


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2009 at 21:09
Never liked The Who. Most of their songs really bore me but once in awhile I'll find one that is decent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2009 at 06:39
Pete Townshend was re- writing the whole Tommy for the movie. Some tracks are really amazing, e.g. this Acid Queen version (it's the film version, not short version on the original double lp soundtrack).
Just listen how part of 5:15 track (Quadrophenia), and amazing bass soloing by John Entwistle, meets Tina Turner's R'n'B and "spaceship"-like sound effects...Enjoy !
 
 
PS ...or, the film version of "Pinball Wizard, where Elton John meets that intro of  "I Can't Explain"--
----in this PW version --- as outro of the track!
To me, the holy trinity of the songwriters are Mr. Pete Townshend, Mr. Peter Gabriel and Mr. Alex Chilton.
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2009 at 10:32
Originally posted by Xanthous Xanthous wrote:

Never liked The Who. Most of their songs really bore me but once in awhile I'll find one that is decent.
I can understand that sentiment Xanthous.
 
For some reason The Who never really did it for me either. That is until I bought the Classic Albums DVD for Who's Next. I nabbed it as I wanted to know more about them.
 
I watched the DVD and everything just seemed to click. After all the years of saying 'Yeah...well I like some of their songs.' I suddenly found my way into the music. I think it had to do with seeing how Townsend and the band created their material. This wasn't stuff that was just thrown together on a whim. Pete carefully crafted material as an incerdible set of demos (a lot of which were often used on the finished product) and then he gave it to the band who added the muscle and the balls.
 
I am a convert.
 
 


Edited by sigod - December 07 2009 at 10:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2009 at 14:09

Say It Aint So Joe< Roger Daltrey live with John Entwistle, Keith Moon and Jimmy McCulloch, 1977

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bVGTVrQd6M StarStarStarStarStar Pete Townshend >Magic Bus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfL4MlEIB4Q

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2009 at 17:07
Classic band man, so good in so many ways. I love the who, was a huge fan starting in high school and still am. the schools marching band performed tommy in its entirety, all instrumentally and they did a standup job. the who is definitely one of those bands that is so influential and timeless in my opinion, all great musicians, very talented and unique.
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