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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2009 at 20:41
Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

How was I confusing myself? I'm confused now.........uh....

What my point was was that I don't agree that if a band plays simple music that it is looked down upon. Really though, it's only in circles like these where that's the problem, so it's okay because most people get it. Thing is though, that there's people who think that a band should be revered because they are talented, or they think what moshkito said, that his friend had some taste for listening to a band that was talented.
(Well, you wanted an argument... I'll just argue for Moshkito's side because I doubt he'll be jumping in here anytime soon)

I said you were confusing yourself because you had yourself so convinced it was objective that liking instrumental prowess can not be considered good taste. If Moshkito thinks it is, if that turns him on, then it is.

... Moshkito never even said something like "simple music is looked down upon" in general, or something... but for him, liking DT, for their instrumental skill is good taste... he wasn't even really saying he looks down on simple music.

Circles like these? What kind of sh*tty statement is that? I'd say this "circle" is pretty diverse if you ask me, from what I've seen. And prog isn't necessarily the opposite of simple, btw, there are some beautifully simplistic parts in prog tunes. I think you are just sick of this forum, and you've gotten the impression that the people here are just jerk-offs who dismiss anything simplistic, in their eyes, and who have yet to "realize" that "less is more" in music or some sh*t like that... I've gotten sick of it too before... everything in moderation, complexity, simplicity, PA, etc... 

I have a problem with the separating of prog listeners from "most people". "Most people" is not some group that realizes the over-complexity of prog and therefore dismisses it... they are usually just simple and therefore get off to simpler music (not always, sometimes just musically simpler, which doesn't mean bad). Which isn't to say that prog by definition is better than other (usually simpler) forms of pop music, just the reason why most people like simpler (I've used this word too many times) music more, is because they can't be bothered to think about it too much, for one reason or another.

I'd say talent is always a good thing, but it isn't always used right, and not every type of talent is for everyone. But anyway, just my perspective.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2009 at 22:02
None of my friends like prog. Well, one of them adores Radiohead, but he refuses to associate them in any way with the prog movement. I argue that 'Well, they are pushing the musical boundaries in ways that 70s prog bands were; and there's a case for the argument that OK Computer is the Dark Side of the Moon of the 90s', but he won't listen! :(

My friends mostly like mainstream rock and classic rock. Zeppelin, Beatles, Who, Pink Floyd (the one old guard prog band it seems to be OK to like). And I like all those bands too. So its OK. 

But if I try to play some Porcupine Tree or DT, its a lost cause. I think the Tree deserve to be at least as big as Radiohead or Muse are. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2009 at 23:51
Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2009 at 00:43
My closest friends are all prog fans, so are my brother's closest friends. my friends who dont like prog always catch crap from those of us who dont like the crap they like. We all listen to Genesis, Pink Floyd, Opeth, Dream Theater, Jethro Tull, The Mars Volta, etc. Its very nice. Then i have friends who tell me prog sucks, though they listen to stereotypical metal bands or horror punk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2009 at 00:59
When it comes to family, my parents like quite a bit of prog (eg. my mum LOVES King Crimson and Jethro Tull... but doesn't like ELP very much. xPP), while my brother can't stand it and finds it very dull. When it comes to, er, well, friends, I actually have a few mates (who don't come over much mind you, mostly because they live ages away from my house -_-) who love classic rock, including a bit of prog such as Pink Floyd. One of my closet friends, however, likes metal and techno (and also Radiohead, actually), but is quite happy to listen to my stuff. In fact, she was rapt when I played some Mike Oldfield when she was over once because her boyfriend was a fan as well!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2009 at 06:51
My parents do like bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, and Journey, though they don't even realize that they listen to prog Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2009 at 14:33
Pink Floyd is always a winner DSOM and WYWH and one band that always gets played by us old b*****ds is Credence Clearwater Revival especially after a few beers.Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2009 at 18:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2009 at 17:24
The Flower Kings get a warm reception too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2009 at 16:23
I'm 17 years old and for one of my class presentations I had a segment with some King Crimson going on in the background. A lot of people were really into it and ended up checking it out for themselves.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2009 at 19:30
Nice. Got people at school to like prog.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2009 at 21:55
Listening to music is, for me at least, a very personal experience, and I prefer to listen to it when I'm alone. I like to share prog with some friends who also like to listen to it, with full attention to details, so we gather to discuss and share experiences and opinions, but when listening is the matter, I'm alone most of the time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 12:55
[/QUOTE] You have a friend that listened to Jade Warrior with you?Shocked I suppose my shock is due to my residence in Green Acres, South Jersey. Does up on cripple creek ring a bell? Back in 2002 I was conversing with Tirill from White Willow. She had a entire different perspective on progressive music than most people I've met in America. There are many great informative prog people here in the U.S., no doubt. But in Europe it feels like more people live for prog. At least of all that is the impression I got from conversing with her. I believe that finding the correct environment has got to be the answer to all our problems(or those who have encountered the same as me), but here in Green Acres there is one path only for most regarding musical form. I realize all too well that most progressive rock originated in Europe, but to live there in a environment of prog fans that is consistently more than less would bring my spirits to the highest level. Is this a fact about Europe or is this a hypothesis that American proggers have?[/QUOTE]
Always good to hear from a Jade Warrior fan.  Smile  My friend had never even heard of the band before I turned him on to Last Autum's Dream.  I'm out in California, and have only been east of the Mississippi a few times, and never close to Jersey, so none of your references have any meaning for me - they're just not within my sphere of experience.  We are certainly not talking about the same person.  My friend is a good buddy of mine who is not necessarily a fan of prog, but he likes a lot of hard rock from the 60s and 70s.  I did play Dark Matter by IQ for him and he thought it was pretty good.  Hendrix is his man, and he's a big fan of Deep Purple, King Crimson, and Uriah Heep, as well as Beethoven.  Most of my friends like prog to some extent, or at least some bands listed as prog, which is quite common for our age group (50ish).  Except for Kansas, American prog is obscure out here; I only have one other friend who is a true prog fan  - in fact, he's responsible for getting me back into the genre, but he lives in Seattle.  I suppose that's why people like us get onto sites like this - to interact with others of similar bent and tastes in music.  It seems to me that Europe is more open to more sophisticated music than the U.S, or maybe it's just a matter of a more concentrated and urban population.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 13:23
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Does anyone here dance to prog? Not trying to be funny- I think prog is, with the odd rare exception, undanceable, stressing its anti-social side.
When a good groove gets goin', heck yeah.  A lot of Discipline-era Crimson works, and there's that one section of Echoes, to name a couple (not that there's a whole lot).  Maybe bobbing up and down to the beat, would be a more appropriate description for what I do, but hey, bodily movement is bodily movement. Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 13:27
I can't help it and start advertising this or that band (cruising through my playlist on the PC) when people come visiting. And I try to find the right vein, judging from their reactions. I often spend entire evenings doing just this... :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2009 at 19:09
Hmmm... I just stick something on, and if they don't like it, though they usually do, they have to deal with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2009 at 10:01
my best friend is the one who first got me into prog about a year ago with the likes of Tull, Yes, Genesis, and all the old stuff.  Then I came here and have been showing him new bands ever since. 

Also my girlfriend has a very wide taste in music, and enjoys most of the prog i listen to.  She has all of my music now, so I was extatic when I hadn't seen her for a few days, and she came to me and said one of her new favorite songs was Xanadu!  So best friend and girlfriend into prog... i'd say life is pretty good :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2009 at 19:34
Originally posted by hitting_singularity2 hitting_singularity2 wrote:

my best friend is the one who first got me into prog about a year ago with the likes of Tull, Yes, Genesis, and all the old stuff.  Then I came here and have been showing him new bands ever since. 
Friends are what make the world spinLOL. Though my friend is still telling me about bands that are good.Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2009 at 19:54
My parents like classic rock and a few Yes and ELP songs, but none of my friends like good (or even decent) music. ... Except for a friend that gave me Scenes From A Memory (DT) on my birthday, they all like crap-rap or, worse, brazilian funk.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2009 at 19:57
Thats a good friend.
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