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Suprise suprise, a weird 5 star review for Number 7 from a new member who joined just to drop this off. I wonder how many free CDs he got.

As much as I would like to delete this review and many more like it, I'm going to step aside and let another admins make a call on this one.

I'm not sure if the review itself is in blatant disregard of PA rules, how it got here probably is though.
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You're probably right about the dubiousness of the reviewer, but I still think the review itself is clearly insulting.
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:


4 - Write in an intelligent and considerate manner. Rude or insulting language (including blatant vulgarity) will not be tolerated! Show respect for other reviewers, readers, the artists, and the CD and song titles. Do not belittle reviews posted by others, their opinions are as welcome and valid as yours. It is generally best to avoid commenting on other reviews altogether.
The following are examples of phrases which should NOT appear in reviews:  "Reviewer Joe Smith is stupid for saying that...", "Anyone who doesn't like this album is an idiot", "The band which made this album is rubbish", etc.,



From the review:

Although I have only heard some of their samples, I think its amazing and a little sad that other so called "progressive bands" like Riverside, Maudlin of the Well, Muse and Beardfish (who?) are getting as much attention, because their is no way that music is as good as the music on this new album Number Seven. I guess that proves that there are many people who are not intelligetn enough to appreceate the music of Phideaux. I guess they should go and listen to the Jonas Brothers and Ashley Simpson.
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I happen to think that that review, while not a good one, is acceptable.
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I'm with Rob. Cut out the references to Riverside, motw, Beardfish and everything else, which are totally unnecessary, plus the one to people's intelligence and power to comprehend Phideaux's album. Both do bring out rule #4 in some way. The first case practically opts to say "band x or its recent albums suck(s)" just to make a point that "the album in question is glorious".
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Lets follow Rico's instructions:

1.-  Cut out the references to Riverside, motw, Beardfish and everything else, which are totally unnecessary,


Number Seven
Phideaux  Crossover Prog

Review by chdcrwl

5 stars It's about time Progarchives features one of the brightest and most promising young progressive artists of today. Althought previous featured artists were decent at best, they were not quite the leading light that Phideaux is without a doubt. Phideaux represents all of what is great about music in my mind. There are innovative melodic structures and *deceptively* simple musical structures, which make this music of Number Seven the best music of 2009, bar none. Obviously not everyone agrees as, amazingly, . Although I have only heard some of their samples, I guess that proves that there are many people who are not intelligetn enough to appreceate the music of Phideaux.  Either that or they are just jealous of how talented and inovative Phideaux is. --Chad Crowley

Done


2.- plus the one to people's intelligence and power to comprehend Phideaux's album

Number Seven
Phideaux  Crossover Prog

Review by chdcrwl

5 stars It's about time Progarchives features one of the brightest and most promising young progressive artists of today.. Phideaux represents all of what is great about music in my mind. There are innovative melodic structures and *deceptively* simple musical structures, which make this music of Number Seven the best music of 2009, Chad Crowley

This is what we get...In other words...pure fanboyist crap,

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No... editing the review is not a good idea... The review is insulting to other people.... It has to be deleted so that people who post reviews know they either write a decent review from the start or we will not be doing their job and making their reviews look more reasonable... delete the whole thing.... One thing is to edit reviews when there are errors in grammar or typing errors, that's understandable... but editing reviews when they were clearly written in an offensive way is giving these kind of people green light to post any kind of insulting review they want, after all, someone will be editing and making it look good in the end...  
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

No... editing the review is not a good idea... The review is insulting to other people.... It has to be deleted so that people who post reviews know they either write a decent review from the start or we will not be doing their job and making their reviews look more reasonable... delete the whole thing.... One thing is to edit reviews when there are errors in grammar or typing errors, that's understandable... but editing reviews when they were clearly written in an offensive way is giving these kind of people green light to post any kind of insulting review they want, after all, someone will be editing and making it look good in the end...  


I completely agree Teo, but I think Ivan was merely pointing out that the review is basically crap.
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I agree with him, and I agree with you, which in the end also means I agree with me.. ConfusedTongue Anyway, my point is, whoever it is (I have no back story on this guy or this particular case, I just read the last posts about his review), we (the admins) can't become editors of stupid people.... Either people follow the guidelines, ALL of them, of they get deleted. It's basic in civilization that people are, well, CIVIL...

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I agree with him, and I agree with you, which in the end also means I agree with me.. ConfusedTongue Anyway, my point is, whoever it is (I have no back story on this guy or this particular case, I just read the last posts about his review), we (the admins) can't become editors of stupid people.... Either people follow the guidelines, ALL of them, of they get deleted. It's basic in civilization that people are, well, CIVIL...



And...

I agree.  Tongue

You know, for a conservative and liberal, we agree an awful lot.  LOL
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Yes... Politics divide people after all... We both like DT! Tongue
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Yes... Politics divide people after all... We both like DT! Tongue


Do we?!?

Okay I do.  Just not Images and Words or Train of Thought.  LOL
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Images and Words???!! Confused
 
OK we're at war again... TongueClown
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Reviews like these are annoying. However, even more annoying, no offense, is the paint the guy as a stoolie for Phideaux. Any other album or artist, and chances are we've just got an idiot on our hands. With Phideaux, it's automatically a conspiracy? Just saying. Perhaps it is a conspiracy. Those are fun.
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that's why the best way to proceed is to ignore any previous back history about this case and just do what has to be done in every similar situation....  Delete the review. Maybe PM the reviewer saying "Dear reviewer: your review was not so atrocious until the point when it sucked due to the insults and your blatant display of immaturity and minor stupidity. Please from this day one abstain of posting any more reviews like this unless you decide to eliminate the insulting parts and try to boost the few reasonable arguments your mindless self is attempting to generate. In a few words: review, and be e-published; insult, and be told to f**k off"....  
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

No... editing the review is not a good idea... The review is insulting to other people.... It has to be deleted so that people who post reviews know they either write a decent review from the start or we will not be doing their job and making their reviews look more reasonable... delete the whole thing.... One thing is to edit reviews when there are errors in grammar or typing errors, that's understandable... but editing reviews when they were clearly written in an offensive way is giving these kind of people green light to post any kind of insulting review they want, after all, someone will be editing and making it look good in the end...  


I completely agree Teo, but I think Ivan was merely pointing out that the review is basically crap.
 
Tks Epignosis, the fun thing is that if we take all the irrelevant comments about what he thinks of Phideaux in general and wide terms and how he thinks Prog Archives should value Phideaux (totally absurd because Prog Archives doesn't have an opinion about any artist, the reviewers do), the only relevant comment about the album  in whis whole review is:
 
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Review by chdcrwl

5 stars Number Seven the best music of 2009, Chad Crowley
 
God, that review is a waste of valuable bandwith.
 
BTW: My god friend T, I disagree with editing reviews, I rather see a review deleted than touched (unless is absolutely necessary because a blatant gramatic mistake), because even a good edition, may change the general spirit of a review.
 
In this case, Mr Crowley's review is not worth the effort of edition.
 
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I knew it ! Phideaux is the Great Beast, 666, the wickedest man in the world - Aleister Crowley

The game's up laddie, I mean Phideaux is just an anagram of: Up Hex Aid

Chad is short for Charles which can also be Charlie (the cunning trickster !) an anagram of :Arch Lie

That's as good as a confession in my book - Prepare the kindling....
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She's a witch! Burn her! ... Him!

And what also burns? More witches! Dang. I wish I lived in Salem during the witch hunting periods. Sounds like it would have been fun. Wink

That said, the guy hasn't written me back and probably hasn't edited his review. I put my vote in in favor of deletion or moderator action. Even though I'd love to see Number Seven climb the charts a bit more, I'd really like to see it happen based on merit rather than fanboyism. I think it's just weird to see a review written like that out of the context of Dream Theater...
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I happen to think the review was an attempt at a bad joke on us as a site. Delete and move on.
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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I`m going to write a review of an album that I`ve never heard.
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