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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.
No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.
No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.

I don't think justice has anything to do with this. They're just picking on someone famous to scare people and show that no one is safe from the long arm of law.

If it's really about that one crime and nothing else, why not let him pay for it by doing something useful and giving us a few more films?



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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.

No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.

I don't think justice has anything to do with this. They're just picking on someone famous to scare people and show that no one is safe from the long arm of law.

If it's really about that one crime and nothing else, why not let him pay for it by doing something useful and giving us a few more films?


How are they picking on him? He is a f**king rapist! Not only did he drug and rape a 13 year old girl, he also flouted the law for 30 years. He probably deserves to be executed for disregarding US law for so long and so openly, but at the very least we all should agree he deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in jail. If he really has a problem with the way the trial was conducted, he could appeal it from prison.

Yes, his movies are the only things that matter. I'm sure that's the same reason why the French are up in arms about it too, and that makes me so incredibly angry I can't even speak. If this were some random guy you would want to string him up, but since you like his movies, you're willing to overlook his monstrous actions.

Aileen Wuornos also had a hard life, but we still executed her because we live in a god damn civilized society.



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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.

No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.

I don't think justice has anything to do with this. They're just picking on someone famous to scare people and show that no one is safe from the long arm of law.

If it's really about that one crime and nothing else, why not let him pay for it by doing something useful and giving us a few more films?


How are they picking on him? He is a f**king rapist! Not only did he drug and rape a 13 year old girl, he also flouted the law for 30 years. He probably deserves to be executed for disregarding US law for so long and so openly, but at the very least we all should agree he deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in jail. If he really has a problem with the way the trial was conducted, he could appeal it from prison.

Yes, his movies are the only things that matter. I'm sure that's the same reason why the French are up in arms about it too, and that makes me so incredibly angry I can't even speak. If this were some random guy you would want to string him up, but since you like his movies, you're willing to overlook his monstrous actions.

Aileen Wuornos also had a hard life, but we still executed her because we live in a god damn civilized society.


Executed? Man thats strict for such a dubious case.
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How is it dubious? Let's briefly review the facts:
He had sex with a 13 year old girl as a 44 year old man.
The victim says it was rape.
He fled the country for 30 years, negating any claims he made about it being consensual.
 
I don't think he should be executed for the rape, but making her suffer 30 years of media attention while also avoiding the sentence for the crime he pled guilty to deserves the needle in my opinion.


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.

No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.

I don't think justice has anything to do with this. They're just picking on someone famous to scare people and show that no one is safe from the long arm of law.

If it's really about that one crime and nothing else, why not let him pay for it by doing something useful and giving us a few more films?


How are they picking on him? He is a f**king rapist! Not only did he drug and rape a 13 year old girl, he also flouted the law for 30 years. He probably deserves to be executed for disregarding US law for so long and so openly, but at the very least we all should agree he deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in jail. If he really has a problem with the way the trial was conducted, he could appeal it from prison.

Yes, his movies are the only things that matter. I'm sure that's the same reason why the French are up in arms about it too, and that makes me so incredibly angry I can't even speak. If this were some random guy you would want to string him up, but since you like his movies, you're willing to overlook his monstrous actions.

Aileen Wuornos also had a hard life, but we still executed her because we live in a god damn civilized society.


First of all, a civilized society would not allow execution. Second, you seem to think that a criminal sentence is a way to revenge for the crime, which it is not or at least should not be. Criminal law is meant to reduce crime and protect citizens, not to get back at those who commit crime by making them suffer as much as possible or getting rid of them altogether by execution.
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Ridiculous. Hasn't he suffered enough already? Putting him in jail won't do anything good for anyone.

No not a valid argument - his suffering occured before he did the crime - he may be a victim, but that is not an excuse to avoid justice.

I don't think justice has anything to do with this. They're just picking on someone famous to scare people and show that no one is safe from the long arm of law.

If it's really about that one crime and nothing else, why not let him pay for it by doing something useful and giving us a few more films?


How are they picking on him? He is a f**king rapist! Not only did he drug and rape a 13 year old girl, he also flouted the law for 30 years. He probably deserves to be executed for disregarding US law for so long and so openly, but at the very least we all should agree he deserves to spend the rest of his miserable life in jail. If he really has a problem with the way the trial was conducted, he could appeal it from prison.

Yes, his movies are the only things that matter. I'm sure that's the same reason why the French are up in arms about it too, and that makes me so incredibly angry I can't even speak. If this were some random guy you would want to string him up, but since you like his movies, you're willing to overlook his monstrous actions.

Aileen Wuornos also had a hard life, but we still executed her because we live in a god damn civilized society.


First of all, a civilized society would not allow execution. Second, you seem to think that a criminal sentence is a way to revenge for the crime, which it is not or at least should not be. Criminal law is meant to reduce crime and protect citizens, not to get back at those who commit crime by making them suffer as much as possible or getting rid of them altogether by execution.


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Dont think the police is hunting the rich, infact its allways the other way around.
 
If he had not been a film star, he would just have been trown to jail right away, serving a VERY long time.
(put any poor man on trail for this, or what Michael Jackson or O.J.Simson was accused of an imagine him go free?) 
 
But that prob. wont happen to Polansky, he will get no or very little Jailtime. 
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

First of all, a civilized society would not allow execution. Second, you seem to think that a criminal sentence is a way to revenge for the crime, which it is not or at least should not be. Criminal law is meant to reduce crime and protect citizens, not to get back at those who commit crime by making them suffer as much as possible or getting rid of them altogether by execution.
And not punishing him for fleeing the US encourages crime by letting people think they can get away with rape!
 
And saying that people should only be punished for their crimes if we think they'll probably commit them again is incredibly short sighted.


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He drugged a 13yo girl to have sex with her??? And then ran??? And then still gets awards???
 
If you do a crime, the only way you deserve forgiveness is if you face up for your crime and take your justice.
 
If the law catches up with him, even 30 years later, it's his own doing.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

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I agree, the lack of regard people have for justice simply because he makes good movies (although I wouldn't know personally because I don't support the ventures of people who I despise, I assume winning an Oscar means something) is disgusting. And then the French government wants him back! People are saying out loud to AP that not being able to make movies in Hollywood is punishment enough! It's like everyone is insane!
 
Why don't we just let Phil Spector off too!


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Well that's vague.
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I find it difficult to decide which side I agree with more.

On the one hand, his punishment now will serve, essentially, no purpose except justice for justice's sake (which is a lousy purpose). On the other, his special treatment is ridiculous, and I can't see why being a good director, suffering or being old should stave off punishment.
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Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I find it difficult to decide which side I agree with more.

On the one hand, his punishment now will serve, essentially, no purpose except justice for justice's sake (which is a lousy purpose). On the other, his special treatment is ridiculous, and I can't see why being a good director, suffering or being old should stave off punishment.
You do not agree with the the abstract concept of justice!? Maybe I am going crazy...
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Let's face it, justice was never good.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

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Well that's vague.


OK, I'll be more specific: I've never seen so much pure hate coming from people calling themselves civilized people.
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I personally only believe that face the justice system for his action. I'm not sure that's hate. Although as the father of young girls, it is more difficult to find compassion for him. The victim's needs outweight his in this case, and it's a sad case that she continues to have to live through it years later because HE has allowed it to draw out by running.
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I wonder if those who wish mercy for Polanski would feel the same if it was their daughter that he raped.  
 
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