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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:41
Where are we in this convo?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 04:44
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Where are we in this convo?


American Khatru just posted about a Peter Banks solo album, and I just asked for any opinions on Alan White's solo album, Ramshackled.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:42
Ramshackled.  You know, that's one of those ones that just got away from me - no real reason, except maybe that I'm a big Bruford guy so I guess it wasn't tough for me to forget WhiteEmbarrassed.  Anyone know it?

By the way, just picked up the first Flash album at the same store yesterday (uh oh, it'$ beginning).  Probably a completist's type of thing from what I can tell so far; interesting to a Yes fan certainly because you go, ah, so Banks and or Kaye brought that kind of thing to Yes, and that kind of thing...  But the vocals kind of stink.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 06:54
Not a fan of Ramshacled, but Flash ROCK!!! In some ways better than Yes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 16:31
You can have Flash. Bank's solo record was much better. And I'll also stick up for Ramshackled. Loosely arranged,  reggae/white r&b/jazz rock-inflected (with an out-of-place ballad with Anderson and Howe). Most were musicians in White's peer group, until he hit the big time with Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2009 at 20:48
Undoubtedly the best in my opinion. There is simply no beating the astronomical proportions of compositions like CTTE. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2009 at 06:31
I'm finding problems with Flash actually, sometimes in the music writing but mainly in the vocals and lyrics.  The first song keeps exploiting the words "in the morning when you start your day...", and it gets tediously tawdry, sounding like a coffee jingle or something.  But I don't know, it doesn't really leave me disappointed in my purchase; it's a nice piece of vinyl, I still get some kicks out of it, and it's interesting to a big Yes fan like me.  Anyway I only know this first Flash album.  After this one Kaye left and things went more guitar based; I'll definitely be interested in checking that out when I find it.  But I'm certainly not looking for or expecting anything like the level of Yes from this stuff. 

I will say that I do like Banks' solo record (Two Sides of Peter Banks) far, far better.  It has a beautifully serious tone to it most times; great guitar playing by both Banks and Akkerman; a roughly-executed, boldly-edited aspect that keeps things fresh and muscular; a unique record that I think I'll always treasure.

So when it comes to these solo records, Joel, I'd say if your dad is a big Yes fan - and this is increased if maybe he didn't know about Banks' solo record or Ramshackled or whatever - how could you go wrong in getting him a gift of one of these?  It doesn't have to end up his favorite disc in the world.  He'll probably just think, wow, look what my cool son gave me, and he's bound to find interest in it.  I know I'd think that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2009 at 07:46
Oh, and hello EMLonergan!  Welcome to the thread that says, YES!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:45
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Not a fan of Ramshacled, but Flash ROCK!!! In some ways better than Yes.
I wouldn't say better than Yes, but I really like the first Flash album.  The second one never did much for me, and the third was ok but much more conventional.
 
I think the vocals are an obstacle for most people here, as well as the lack of keyboards after the first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:49
OK, here we go.  Worst Yes album ever?
 
When I hear something like this, Time and a Word, Tormato, Union, and Open Your Eyes just jump to mind.  I actually like half of Union and I appreciate everything that Wakeman did to keep Tormato from being a complete trainwreck, so those two are out.  Time and a Word stretches what Yes was trying to accomplish while Open Your Eyes is unimaginative retreading over ground that mostly should never have been treaded in the first place, so OYE wins this one for me.....
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:54
And another topic starter.  Best keyboardist other than Wakey?
I personally think that Khoroshev showed some major chops during his brief tenure with the band. He's the guy I'd want if Wakey wasn't available (at least from a musical standpoint.)
 
For worst, Downes gets my vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:32
Ghost, don't feel abandoned, I just have no time lately for the forums.  All yours are excellent starters.  I hope others will kick into this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:39
Okay, to start off Ghost's topics:

The worst Yes albums IMO are a toss up between Drama, Big Generator, Onions, and Open Your Eyes. I know that I am in a huge minority when it comes to Drama, but long time members who put up with my sporadic rantings know that I cannot accept anyone except the great prophet as Yes singer so thereAngry

Onions has some ecsquisite moments, but was basically a mess and vastly over produced, but it's not the worst. Big Generator was a massive disappointment after 90125, which was great, and even more of an anomaly when you consider how good Talk was.

However, I think the winner has to be OYE, an extremely poor album with only one really decent track (the acoustic one with JA & SH - the name escapes me). I suspect that these sentiments will be repeated quite a few times.

As for the best other keyboardist, I will agree with Khoroshev. I liked his contributions and, as I've said before, I thought he did a great job live, and I was a little sorry to see him go. Wikipedia states that he is doing film soundtrack work now - has anyone heard his post Yes work?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 08:42
^^

Even as the massive Jon Anderson fan I am, I still love DRAMA... Although, I don't think I'll buy an album with Benoit. Can't stand him...

Khoroshev would probably be my choice too, after Wakeman... Solid player, good range of styles and genres aswell!

^Apologies Lazland, I haven't heard any of his work without Yes...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 22:26
Well, I would really have to listen to this albums before deciding which one I like the least, but I think it must be something between Tormato, Big Generator, Open your eyes, and The Ladder. Though they all have one or two songs at least that I like. Big Generator has Holy Lamb, which I really like a lot, as well as Shoot High Aim Low (which is at least good) so I might leave that one out of the contest. I might leave out Tormato too because of Don't kill the Whale and Onward. So I guess the ones I like the least are Open your eyes and The Ladder. I don't really know which one I like the least from those two.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2009 at 23:28
I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes.  Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2009 at 00:43
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes.  Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to.  
Do yourself a favor and pick up either Keystudio or Keys to Ascension II (whichever one appeals to you more will do.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2009 at 00:44
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes.  Drama is great, maybe more flash than substance but it's always fun to listen to.  
Do yourself a favor and pick up either Keystudio or Keys to Ascension II (whichever one appeals to you more will do.)


Thanks for the recommendation, will do. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2009 at 08:26
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I haven't gone beyond 90125...from these, I dislike Tormato, actually the only one I flat out dislike by Yes.


Then you haven't heard Union and Open Your EyesLOL

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