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 Posted: September 10 2009 at 06:44 |
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One serious gripe about the remasters is that the mono versions are only available in a box set, although that is how the majority of the Beatles back catalogue was recorded and intended to be heard. |
That's because stereo was a new-fangled gadget in the early 60s. As i always say, if we were meant to listen to music in mono, God wouldn't have given us two ears.
Mind you, there are differences in some of the mono/stereo recordings. Compare and contrast "Don't Pass Me By" and "Sgt Pepper (reprise)" for some notable differences in the mono/stereo mixes (on the original releases, that is).
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 06:49 |
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I just went out and bought Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road.
I'll probably leave Beatles For Sale and Let It Be until last as these are my least favourite albums by The Beatles.Although, I liked Let It Be 'Naked' production wise but I am not that fond of most of the material on the album.It all sounds a bit 'slap-dash'...for The Beatles that is.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 07:15 |
Whilst listening to Bungalow Bill this morning, I found myself wondering where they got the Spanish guitar intro from, as it's far too technical for a Beatle and clearly sounds like a sample.
So I rummaged in Google and found this
You may be surprised to find the answer (assuming it's true).
Edited by chopper - September 10 2009 at 07:15
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 07:20 |
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Well I'll be a bullet-headed Anglo Saxon!
I thought it was going to say Segovia or Manitas de Plata or somesuch...
Edited by Man Erg - September 10 2009 at 07:28
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 07:23 |
I always thought it was a very young Eddie Van Halen myself, warming up for "Spanish Fly".
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 08:12 |
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For example; Revolver. 'Eleanor Rigby' Paul McCartney keeps his voice in a jar by the door in the corner of a very large room. The seperation/channeling of McCartney's vocals is so extreme that I checked the input connection on my speakers!
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Interestingly (well, maybe) there is a version of Eleanor Rigby which starts with the vocals double-tracked (one on each side of the stereo spectrum) but very quickly (in the first word) one cuts out. Not sure what happened there.
Which just goes to show how anal you can be about Beatles recordings.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 08:26 |
chopper wrote:
Man Erg wrote:
For example; Revolver. 'Eleanor Rigby' Paul McCartney keeps his voice in a jar by the door in the corner of a very large room. The seperation/channeling of McCartney's vocals is so extreme that I checked the input connection on my speakers!
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Interestingly (well, maybe) there is a version of Eleanor Rigby which starts with the vocals double-tracked (one on each side of the stereo spectrum) but very quickly (in the first word) one cuts out. Not sure what happened there.
Which just goes to show how anal you can be about Beatles recordings. |
That's the version on the remaster.I was really 'thrown' when I heard it on my earphones at 05.45 on my way to the station this morning.It helped to wake me up...almost.
Edited by Man Erg - September 10 2009 at 11:02
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 08:57 |
the "bungalow bill" intro sounds too complicated, fast and realistically played to be a mellotron, too lo-fi to be recorded in the studio, it could be the world's first "sample" - i go with the Lennon-lp-bought-on-holiday theory , though Lennon's (and Yoko's) vocals sound a bit wooly and lo-fi as well so you never know.. 
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 09:11 |
I wonder if I should get the mono boxset and then buy some of the later albums in stereo (really, Let It Be and Abbey Road). The channel separation on the stereo mixes of the early stuff sounds like it would annoy me, I listen to most of my music on headphones as it is. Of course, the mono boxset is $50 more expensive than the stereo box! 
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 09:49 |
mystic fred wrote:
the "bungalow bill" intro sounds too complicated, fast and realistically played to be a mellotron, too lo-fi to be recorded in the studio, it could be the world's first "sample" - i go with the Lennon-lp-bought-on-holiday theory , though Lennon's (and Yoko's) vocals sound a bit wooly and lo-fi as well so you never know..
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It wasn't "played" on a Mellotron as such. It was played on a classical guitar and then put on a Mellotron tape as a sample. Apparently the same "sample" is used on a King Crimson song.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 13:49 |
^...i see... 
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 15:39 |
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Neil wrote:
That wasn't a fault 'though. That's how the fab four (and an awful lot of sixties bands) chose to make use of the stereo format.
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Hi Neil,
I was of the understanding that the Fab Four weren't interested in the stereo format* until around Sgt Peppers/White Album and were never present at the stereo mix-downs for the albums before this period, i.e. upto and including Revolver.
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You may well be right. Didn't necessarily mean them personally but was including their engineer and producer as well. It would be interesting to know how many tracks they actually had back then as serious multitracking as we know it now was a relatively recent thing in popular music. If they were using for instance eight track in the studio then a lot of the mixing was done already at the recording stage and this would limit possibilities in changing a stereo mix down.
Very often these "remasters" albums don't actually involve much remastering but mostly cleaning up noise and distortion and boosting missing hf and lf.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 15:46 |
mystic fred wrote:
the "bungalow bill" intro sounds too complicated, fast and realistically played to be a mellotron, too lo-fi to be recorded in the studio, it could be the world's first "sample" - i go with the Lennon-lp-bought-on-holiday theory , though Lennon's (and Yoko's) vocals sound a bit wooly and lo-fi as well so you never know..
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The Mellotron was arguably the first sampling instrument. It is after all playing tapes of recordings of other sounds.  I don't know but I expect that you could get tapes with gunshots, chickens, etc. etc. much as you can digital samples for modern keyboards. What about the hunt, cock crow, etc. on Sgt Pepper? Were they also Mellotron samples?
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 15:56 |
chopper wrote:
Whilst listening to Bungalow Bill this morning, I found myself wondering where they got the Spanish guitar intro from, as it's far too technical for a Beatle and clearly sounds like a sample.
So I rummaged in Google and found this
You may be surprised to find the answer (assuming it's true). |
While I accept that the intro in question almost certainly wasn't played by a Beatle, I don't think it would have been beyond George's abilities at the time - all of the three main Beatles had honed their acoustic guitar skills while they were in India, and George had added the odd bit of Spanish guitar to some earlier songs like And I Love Her. It's more of a warm up exercise than a bit of full on Manitas de Plata style wizardry.
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Posted: September 10 2009 at 20:20 |
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that's a great bit of info about the guitar sample, always wondered about that myself
but what's all the fuss about, most of their material was written by one Mrs. Jean Clapsaddle of Tacoma, Washington and was constructed entirely of samples, so
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 01:15 |
^ ..you found out at last 
and the Beach Boys were really an in-house dance band from Sc**thorpe 
ooooh...they censored Sc.u.n.thorpe! 
Edited by mystic fred - September 11 2009 at 01:17
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 01:36 |
Someone needs to. 
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 07:34 |
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that's a great bit of info about the guitar sample, always wondered about that myself
but what's all the fuss about, most of their material was written by one Mrs. Jean Clapsaddle of Tacoma, Washington and was constructed entirely of samples, so
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most of?
Who wrote the rest of it?
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 18:04 |
chopper wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
that's a great bit of info about the guitar sample, always wondered about that myself
but what's all the fuss about, most of their material was written by one Mrs. Jean Clapsaddle of Tacoma, Washington and was constructed entirely of samples, so
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most of?
Who wrote the rest of it? |
a 72 year-old Papuan man named D'akuma ..at least that's the scuttlebutt
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Posted: September 14 2009 at 15:24 |
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D'Akuma's cool - I think Sting worked with him a few times...
Edited by el dingo - September 14 2009 at 15:25
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