Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The VDGG/Peter Hammill Appreciation Thread
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedThe VDGG/Peter Hammill Appreciation Thread

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:29
I don't play as often as I should but it's a terrific album.  The last of the classic lineup.

Ricochet loves the album to bits and it's his favourite.  I don't love it THAT much but I would still probably give it between a 4 and a 4.5.
Back to Top
Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
Status: Offline
Points: 8321
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:27

Chameleon is one I forgot to name! It's great. What do you think of VDGG's World Record?

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard
Back to Top
VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:21
Oh I love the new album.  I liked it from first listen.  It got to about my fourth listen and then I didn't like it so much.  Then I gave it a fifth listen and now it's really clicked for me.

Sure, it's not as amazing as his classics, such as The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage, In Camera, Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night and Over but it's still very good.
Back to Top
Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
Status: Offline
Points: 8321
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:18
^ I was kidding. Of COURSE it's not pop.
As for Thin Air, I don't like it much. Well, I don't like it at all.
From his solo albums, I like Silent Stage and In Camera more than every others.
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard
Back to Top
VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:14
It's not a pop song.

It was never popular.

Now If We Must Part Like This from his new album Thin Air, is a pop song.
Back to Top
Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
Status: Offline
Points: 8321
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:11
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

There is a lack of careful pop songwriting in the band's approach
 
I disagree, there are many examples of this. I would describe Afterwards, Refugees, House With No Door, and W as carefully written pop songs.
 
But they aren't my favourite VDGG songs, I prefer the sturm und drang.
  Yeah they have their moments. And Fool's Mate shows Peter could do it if he wanted. But I don't think he wants to most of the time.


House With No Door a pop song?

LOL

No pop song could be THAT depressing.
 
It is DEFINITELY a pop song Ermm
I tought it was written by Britney Spears.... LOL
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard
Back to Top
VanderGraafKommandöh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: July 04 2005
Location: Malaria
Status: Offline
Points: 89372
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 16:05
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

There is a lack of careful pop songwriting in the band's approach
 
I disagree, there are many examples of this. I would describe Afterwards, Refugees, House With No Door, and W as carefully written pop songs.
 
But they aren't my favourite VDGG songs, I prefer the sturm und drang.
  Yeah they have their moments. And Fool's Mate shows Peter could do it if he wanted. But I don't think he wants to most of the time.


House With No Door a pop song?

LOL

No pop song could be THAT depressing.
Back to Top
Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
Status: Offline
Points: 8321
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2009 at 15:54
For now, nobody has named World Record. I think it is a sadly underrated album. It is excellent in my opinion.
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard
Back to Top
The Sleepwalker View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 03 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 15141
Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 03 2009 at 02:21
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

here is the link to a recent interview with Peter Hammill:
http://tinyurl.com/ndgbjp

A very interesting interview. 

I think VDGG has done a pretty good job with Trisector. Davic Jackson's sax has always been a very important part of Van Der Graaf's music, and I think it's pretty hard to keep an interesting sound when such an important aspect of the music is gone. They've done a very nice job keeping their music interesting and preventing it from heavy suffering from the absence of the sax. It still is a huge difference compared to earlier VDGG albums though, David's sax does add that emotional and striking touch to the music. 
Back to Top
SonicDeath10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 06 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2009 at 09:07
Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

There is a lack of careful pop songwriting in the band's approach
 
I disagree, there are many examples of this. I would describe Afterwards, Refugees, House With No Door, and W as carefully written pop songs.
 
But they aren't my favourite VDGG songs, I prefer the sturm und drang.
  Yeah they have their moments. And Fool's Mate shows Peter could do it if he wanted. But I don't think he wants to most of the time.
"Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy
Back to Top
BaldJean View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: May 28 2005
Location: Germany
Status: Offline
Points: 10387
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2009 at 07:24
here is the link to a recent interview with Peter Hammill:
http://tinyurl.com/ndgbjp


Edited by BaldJean - August 29 2009 at 07:24


A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
Back to Top
A B Negative View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 02 2006
Location: Methil Republic
Status: Offline
Points: 1594
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2009 at 06:00
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

There is a lack of careful pop songwriting in the band's approach
 
I disagree, there are many examples of this. I would describe Afterwards, Refugees, House With No Door, and W as carefully written pop songs.
 
But they aren't my favourite VDGG songs, I prefer the sturm und drang.
"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
Back to Top
LiquidEternity View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: December 07 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 900
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 11:42
I don't really like most of the album, but The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other has White Hammer on it. The song is pretty dorky, but that final avant-doom outro gets me every time. 1970, folks. It still sounds crushing and heavy today, even compared to all sorts of metal acts.
Back to Top
Badabing666 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 30 2008
Location: Devon, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 248
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 10:51
Hadn't heard VDGG until this year. Boy I have missed out.

They have a unique sound and one that holds my attention whenever I play Godbluff and Pawn Hearts. It is only now that I have heard them that I realise what a strong influence they are on so many bands today. They are great addtions to my collection and hopefuly many others who will discover them as I did.
Back to Top
SonicDeath10 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 06 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 282
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 10:40
Van Der Graaf is one of those bands that you get or you don't. Their noisy, melodramatic bluster can really be off putting if you aren't into that kind of thing. Hammill's screaming can be very irritating and the early stuff is...well, noisy. There is a lack of careful pop songwriting in the band's approach, and melody is often discarded even in the later period in favor of jamming, screaming, and noise.
 
However, to the faithful, all of these things are exciting. I dig them and have quite a few Hammill albums, though I'll never them all. No Thanks.
"Good evening hippies." Bobby Boy
Back to Top
The Coastliner View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie
Avatar

Joined: July 19 2009
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 75
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 22:50
Just popped in to say that, while I've liked VdGG for awhile, I hadn't touched Hammill's solo stuff until now. I was really blown away by In Camera -- especially "Gog/Magog (In Bromine Chambers)". What a confrontational song! It's got me looking into the mythological history of the two characters!

Also definitely seconding that H to He is worth getting into. It began with me just liking "Killer", but then I managed to 'get' each song one by one, which is the way it seems to work with a lot of VdGG.

And, for another bit of VdGG fun, does anyone else interpret Godbluff as being about one gigantic war that continues to escalate to ridiculous levels as it goes on? I'll admit that I don't think it was the original intention necessarily, but it adds a little relish to each of my listens to it.
Back to Top
The Sleepwalker View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 03 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Status: Offline
Points: 15141
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:46
Originally posted by Mladen_Serbia Mladen_Serbia wrote:

I've been listening to VDGG for about week or two, and the only album I truly liked is Pawn hearts. Godbluff is pretty solid as well, but I still have to get into it. I enjoyed TLWCDIWTEO, but H to He was a huge dissapointment to me. I guess it just takes time... I haven't heard Still life yet.

All of VDGG's albums take a while to fully appreciate / understand. I also didn't really enjoy H to He in the beginning, Pioneers over C. was too experimental, Killer too cheesy etc. But after listening to it more and more I began to appreciate and uinderstand the songs and now I absolutely love them. You should really try Still Life, it's absolutely fantastic. It was really hard to get into though, at the first couple of listens it sounded like a less raw and much less powerful version of Godbluff, but the opposite is what I think now. Apart from Plague of Lighthouse Keepers, Still Life contains some of VDGG's most emotional songs, and that's where the true power of the album lies. Definitely La Rossa and Childlike Faith in Childhoods End are absolutely stunning pieces. I'm sure if you like VDGG already after two weeks listening to them, you will like them much more when knowing them better, it took me months to fully understand their music!
Back to Top
Mladen_Serbia View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: August 13 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 115
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:07
I've been listening to VDGG for about week or two, and the only album I truly liked is Pawn hearts. Godbluff is pretty solid as well, but I still have to get into it. I enjoyed TLWCDIWTEO, but H to He was a huge dissapointment to me. I guess it just takes time... I haven't heard Still life yet.
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 22:22
Let's find him and destroy that cosmic cock tease.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
LiquidEternity View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: December 07 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 900
Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 26 2009 at 22:18
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

When is The Fall of the House of Usher going to be put back into print. I really, really, really, want to get my hands on a copy.


Agree ten thousand percent. I almost got it once for less than thirty dollars. Unfortunately, suddenly the seller is all, "Oh wait, I don't have it." Jerk.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.138 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.