Indukti- Idmen, 2.83 rating!?

I'm going to be listening to this soon.  I expect to enjoy it.

I shall of course, let you know my thoughts on it.  I love S.U.S.A.R.

harmonium.ro wrote: The album is excellent, I would rate it ****. Unfortunately it got a nasty * rating from Debrewguy (I agree with his written review but the choice for the rating is unfair, I think it could actually be reported). Since he's Collab it'll take quite some reviews until the balance is set.

I let the review stew for a bit, so that my opinion of the music would be what determined my rating. The rest added to  the frustration with the album's quality, but did not play a part in it getting a 1 from me. The album's review did serve as a perfect avenue to write of what I believe limits prog bands' record sales - lack of digital distribution (progressive music not being progressive technologically ? ) ,  generally higher prices (even compared to other comparable bands or genres), and limited outlets for purchasing (again, even when compared to similar sized acts or genres) .
 
As an aside, there are one or two Marillion albums that I bought as digital downloads from their website that would merit a rating of 1. But the overall consistency of the group's releases that I have bought this way, combined with the much better accessibility & price , have made these 2 albums simply stand out as bad apples in a bunch. Indeed, if I may offer  a comparison - 1 execrable Indukti album (Idmen) costs me as much as 2 uninteresting Marillion albums & one good one. Which keeps me open to buying more Marillion (yes, the dreaded H era) albums as they come out. Or to extend the point, for the same amount that I spent on Susar, I also have 3 excellent H era Marillion albums (one being a double album). Or - for the price of the two Indukti albums, I was able to purchase three CDs at Frank's Music of other bands (one as a special order ) that I like. And have a little money left over. Therefore supporting my favourite musical acts, AND my local independant music retailer. I won't mention Inside Out.

debrewguy wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: The album is excellent, I would rate it ****. Unfortunately it got a nasty * rating from Debrewguy (I agree with his written review but the choice for the rating is unfair, I think it could actually be reported). Since he's Collab it'll take quite some reviews until the balance is set. I let the review stew for a bit, so that my opinion of the music would be what determined my rating. The rest added to  the frustration with the album's quality, but did not play a part in it getting a 1 from me. The album's review did serve as a perfect avenue to write of what I believe limits prog bands' record sales - lack of digital distribution (progressive music not being progressive technologically ? ) ,  generally higher prices (even compared to other comparable bands or genres), and limited outlets for purchasing (again, even when compared to similar sized acts or genres) .

I'm also annoyed when I see that a band releases an album in 2009 and you can't get it through any major download store ... but how should that affect the rating? As far as Idmen is concerned, it's available for 16 EUR at Amazon.de - so far only as a physical release, but that simply means that I'll neither listen nor rate it.

debrewguy wrote: harmonium.ro wrote: The album is excellent, I would rate it ****. Unfortunately it got a nasty * rating from Debrewguy (I agree with his written review but the choice for the rating is unfair, I think it could actually be reported). Since he's Collab it'll take quite some reviews until the balance is set. I let the review stew for a bit, so that my opinion of the music would be what determined my rating. The rest added to  the frustration with the album's quality, but did not play a part in it getting a 1 from me. The album's review did serve as a perfect avenue to write of what I believe limits prog bands' record sales - lack of digital distribution (progressive music not being progressive technologically ? ) ,  generally higher prices (even compared to other comparable bands or genres), and limited outlets for purchasing (again, even when compared to similar sized acts or genres) .   As an aside, there are one or two Marillion albums that I bought as digital downloads from their website that would merit a rating of 1. But the overall consistency of the group's releases that I have bought this way, combined with the much better accessibility & price , have made these 2 albums simply stand out as bad apples in a bunch. Indeed, if I may offer  a comparison - 1 execrable Indukti album (Idmen) costs me as much as 2 uninteresting Marillion albums & one good one. Which keeps me open to buying more Marillion (yes, the dreaded H era) albums as they come out. Or to extend the point, for the same amount that I spent on Susar, I also have 3 excellent H era Marillion albums (one being a double album). Or - for the price of the two Indukti albums, I was able to purchase three CDs at Frank's Music of other bands (one as a special order ) that I like. And have a little money left over. Therefore supporting my favourite musical acts, AND my local independant music retailer. I won't mention Inside Out.

I was surprised with your review in that you considered Amazon an obscure and difficult to find outlet, is the place I buy most of my music! Your review was also factually incorrect in that InsideOut have not gone bankrupt but the distributer SPV have, and they were a major company that dealt with a lot more than just IO's bands, I feel that using that as part of your reasoning behind a 1 star review to be distinctly unfair towards the band.

^No, but he was the first to answer in this thread and at least half of his review was about the difficulty of getting the album rather than the music itself. You on the other hand made your view very clear, which I respect, no matter how much I might disagree with it.

you may want to read more reviews. Some actually discuss why they like or dislike an album based on reasons other than music theory. Some will comment on when they play it. Some will comment on how they feel when they play it.
It is , after all, a brief apercu, of what the reviewer wants to say about the album. Heck, I love it when VB talks about something more than just Genesis playing in 7/8 or not when he reviewed SEBTP.

Having just listened to it, it's most certainly not a 1 or a 2.

I'd say perhaps a 3 maybe a 4, on first listen.  I need to hear it more.

I agree, Andy.

Most albums I like and think are decent, are almost impossible to find.

True, this happens to be a brand new album and I can understand why you'd be annoyed but there's also been a couple of newer albums I've had trouble finding yet when I have found then, I didn't complain about not being to find them that easily.

It's about the quality of the music and recording for me.

Bought it off iTunes.

p0mt3 wrote: I just don't see the point in complaining in a thread about an album you personally like getting an overall low rating. It happens. What's the problem?

The problem is not just the low rating, but the reasoning behind it. *Personally* I think it's unworthy of the prog reviewer status. A review is not a platform to vent your anger about the online CD shopping situation in Canada. It is supposed to be helpful information that other people can use to find out whether they should buy/listen to an album or not.