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Finnforest
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Posted: August 15 2009 at 22:46 | ||
Well 3 of those four are pretty spectacular. Celeste hasn't held up as well for me though I do respect it . I'd try one of Basso's first two albums before Celeste. Read his Bio, both are among the finest examples of classically influenced prog. The first is more rocking, the second more classical and perhaps a masterpiece. Good luck!!
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 01:47 | ||
I will put 4 stars really |
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American Khatru
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 06:21 | ||
As for Celeste, I find when I introduce people to RPI they will inevitably respond to that one record - unless they are total hard rock or jazz heads, in which case they'll usually like it least. I will agree with Finnforest that it has not held up for me, except it's one of those albums that is perfection for that one mood (or if you want to turn your music analyzer on and just listen to the brilliant arrangements, appreciate the construction and the pastoral pace). |
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micky
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 07:48 | ||
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American Khatru
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
Posted: August 16 2009 at 08:18 | ||
Very smart in that regard is the self-titled Corte dei Miracoli release. There is a Franck-like quality in the manner of composition (not the sound, the treatment). Brilliant record. I had typed more, but deleted it. This is nuts, there's just too much. You go with your list and you'll love it. |
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1967/ 1976
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 10:54 | ||
Well... Depends. In my humble opinion, there are rarities that hold more than an 'essential' album! |
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 11:10 | ||
Right on Mandi! Some of the lesser know gems are dearer to my heart than many of the "essential" Italian albums. I think a mix of both is a healthy way to look at any genre. |
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1967/ 1976
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 11:15 | ||
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American Khatru
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
Posted: August 16 2009 at 11:45 | ||
I was reading again through the RPI description on the sub-genre page (once again, grrrreat job). This sentence struck me: "Most musicians had more or less strong left-wing leanings (the prime
example being Area), while the few examples of openly right-wing bands
never managed to break out of obscurity, or gain more than a strictly
cult following." Exactly what RPI bands were these openly right-wing bands? I ask because I am left in my belefs (no need to go into all that, no one wants a politics thread here). I'd find it rather funny and pretty disconcerting to learn that, as a person who barely understands Italian, I were unwittingly listening to and getting into right winger's music! I also ask because I'm fascinated to see over and over again just how little of beauty the right can really do or say, or feels compelled to, and will be duly amazed if one of the albums I consider beautiful turns out "implicated."
There's a phrase people use in the US when they want to say that there is little connection or fellow-feeling between themselves and someone, or their group and another. "There's no love lost..." In my case the phrase would typically go "there's no love lost between me and the right wing." But in my case there is love lost, because I lost my older brother, perhaps irrevocably, to the crazed neo-conservative end of the American right. |
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 11:53 | ||
Interesting question AK. I defer to Andrea(s) or Raffa who have more insight to the politics. I know a band named Janus was considered right and a few others.
I personally don't care about the politics of the musician much, or the religious beliefs, so long as the artist is not trying to evangelize me religiously...that is a real turn off to me. Political propaganda I can much more easily ignore than religious. I'm only in it for the music....which is why foreign language prog is my favorite. |
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American Khatru
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 12:04 | ||
So, Raffa, Andrea, maybe Luca? Edited by American Khatru - August 16 2009 at 12:05 |
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andrea
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
Posted: August 16 2009 at 12:18 | ||
Here you can find a very short video of Janus: And here you can find some videos of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4y0ptIyYu0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKeUZdr0ac&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yheSnzTKvKk&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYKYDJKhBE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2krU003SKXs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NasoCV4RN5g&hl=it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B50NJTQmGHU&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byeaRR_tVv4&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkdIFHTh20&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ammz5edz57E&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWUfM4FgKbQ&feature=related |
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Luca Pacchiarini
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 16:31 | ||
if someone else is just starting to know RPI, it could be a bit misleading starting with Fabio Celi e Gli Infermieri if that person has never listened to, say, Osanna, Balletto or Jumbo....
At least that's what I think.
Starting with the seminal, most influential albums, and then seeing all the greatests of the rest, once you've been uninitiated.
Also because some of the more obscure albums are more difficult to get into, so, if someone is entering in a new genre...perhaps later
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Finnforest
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 17:06 | ||
AK, Raff cannot post right now but emailed me this bit about Italian politics, to answer your query below.
As far as I know, the only two openly right-wing bands in RPI were |
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American Khatru
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 18:37 | ||
We get that same routine here. |
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Luca Pacchiarini
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Posted: August 16 2009 at 19:24 | ||
Of course, apart for some cases, it's difficult to label a band as right wing, especially in Italy, in the context of the 70's...
First of all, because the main audience of rock festivals was made up of young people and students with left-wing sympathies, so, publicly saying "we support the right wing" could kill your hopes of commercial success.
Just look at what happened to Museo Rosenbach, after someone accused them of being fascists (of course they weren't... the music press was so superficial in that episode)
Politics was ENORMOUSLY linked to the music in those days in Italy... I read a book called "Anni 70, Generazione Rock" were many musicians of the era (and some prog ones as well) were asked about this topic... I recall reading Rustici's interview (guitarist of Cervello) in which he said that the car of the band was once attacked from guys with wood sticks because their music wasn't considered "left wing enough".
So, in that scenario, the political views of a group conditioned the fate of the band.
All the left-wing groups proudly showed their political sympathies, while...
some right-wing groups hid their political tendencies, pretending to be left-wing to obtain the favour of the young audience, while other right-wing groups clearly admitted their views.
In that case, these right-wing bands had an "underground" following, in the MSI circles (Movimento Sociale Italiano) recording in almost clandestine conditions.
The funny and tragic thing is that the few groups who chose to stay neutral were accused too... they were attacked both by the left and the right wing...
Well, RPI and politics... an enormous amount of lines could be written about this topic...
I don't know... how much are you familiar with italian history? Because if you need a "historical background", I might write something similar, or give you the link for a similar paragraph... do you know about the "Lead Years"?
Since that's very important for understanding a bit more of RPI...at least it helped me a bit.
Anyway, back to your original question, the groups who are generally labeled as right wing were:
Janus
Nuovo Canto Popolare
Carrè Ladich Marchal
Compagnia Dell'Anello
Facts: the first three bands were from Roma, and in all these projects, the drummer was Mario Ladich.
(and, stranger fact, no one of these bands are on this site )
Their albums are very rare (for the reasons I wrote above) and I haven't them... but the people who have them say they're pretty average...nothing special, even bad at times.
About JANUS, the most representative band of the right wing...
(just to give you an idea of the social and political climate of those years....)
One of their musicians, Stefano Recchioni ,was killed during a right-wing demonstration (here's an article in italian, http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strage_di_Acca_Larentia)
Anyway.... sorry for the long winded post
that's pretty much what I know about right wing and italian prog... hope it helps
And I have to concur with who said that the right wing in Italy has never been creative and original in music...
Edited by Luca Pacchiarini - August 17 2009 at 05:20 |
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andrea
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
Posted: August 17 2009 at 00:27 | ||
Well, this is another one...
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American Khatru
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 28 2009 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 732 |
Posted: August 17 2009 at 06:10 | ||
Most of this is news to me, I'm embarrassed to say. I'm learning a lot from this site though. Feel free to be as long winded in your posts as you like, Luca.
I don't know the music of any of these five bands you two named. I've got Acroama's myspace on in the background. It's so so to be honest, jammy. No one could accuse them of being big on ideas. |
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micky
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Posted: August 17 2009 at 06:16 | ||
OK, this is Raff... I would normally avoid posting using Micky's account, but I feel I have to say something at this point. Luca, your profile says you could very easily be my son... You might have read things in a book, I WAS THERE. I was born at the end of 1960, and remember the 'lead years' quite well. As regards the 'historical background', it is already there - in the first section of the RPI definition, which probably you should read before offering to write something that other people have already done. That def cost me and the others quite a bit of work, and I find it a bit sad that a fellow Italian has not bothered to read it. As to the bands not being included on PA, my very politically incorrect opinion is the following: they should have thanked their lucky stars to have been allowed to EXIST, let alone to record anything. I know the younger generations seem to have no clue about such things, but there is an article in our Constitution that forbids the reformation of the Fascist Party - in a serious country, those guys would not even have been around, or would been forced even more underground than they were at the time. Italy is not the USA, with their freedom of speech and all that - WW II had ended just thirty years before, and there were people who remembered well what it had meant. My parents both did, as did most of my other relatives. Sorry for the rant, but I think such things should be said. By all means add those bands, if you feel they have enough merit (and you said yourself they don't), but please, let's stop presenting them as victims of the intolerance of the left-wingers. |
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andrea
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2067 |
Posted: August 17 2009 at 08:03 | ||
The video that you can find on this link is taken from of a documentary by the Italian National Broadcast RAI 2. It deals with music and politics... Edited by andrea - August 17 2009 at 08:15 |
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