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Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Yum, I must say this is a delicious thread.  A lot to consider and absorb!


Ah, the delightful and subtle smell of irony. If intended or not I don't know, but for me this was a comic relief much needed in a non-debate taken to extremes ;-)
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Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Yum, I must say this is a delicious thread.  A lot to consider and absorb!


Yes, delicious.  I listened to the samples Epignosis put out and was less than impressed.  How anyone can give this a 5 is beyond my scope of understanding.  I think it is great that he was able to put together an album and fulfill his dream.  But when you are working on a 1-5 scale and rating real bands (I'm talking about the giants of prog, here) the same way as this album and somehow giving it a 5 and calling it essential is dicey.  I am going to pretty much dismiss any other reviews by anybody who does so.

I in no way mean to demean the album or the effort.  It is what it is and Robert, I applaud you for putting it out.   But after reading a fair amount of your reviews here on PA, I would think that even you would be a bit taken aback by the sheer volume of 5 star reviews Still the Waters has gotten.  Hug


And all I can say is, "Thanks for listening."  Smile
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Phideaux, haven't heard the new work, but really enjoyed Doomsday.  Though I didn't give it a 5Wink


But Finn, didn't you get the check I sent you?  We agreed it would be a 5 star review!  Oh, wait maybe I did only pay your for a 3 star!  Dang it!!!  I'm off to throttle my accountant!
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Throttle a lawyer. It's more satisfying.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Throttle a lawyer. It's more satisfying.


But not Ivan.  He just posted your three star review.  Wink
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Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Phideaux, haven't heard the new work, but really enjoyed Doomsday.  Though I didn't give it a 5Wink


But Finn, didn't you get the check I sent you?  We agreed it would be a 5 star review!  Oh, wait maybe I did only pay your for a 3 star!  Dang it!!!  I'm off to throttle my accountant!


Actually i think it was 4.....though if it had Italian vocals I might have went 5.  Wink
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Throttle a lawyer. It's more satisfying.


But not Ivan.  He just posted your three star review.  Wink
 
Hi Robert, had it ready since yesterday's night, but was so tired that went o bed, today I came home late and saw this thread so I was afraid to post it, but there is no reason to be afraid if you post what you believe.
 
Not a masterpiece neither a bad album, but with better production better things will come, remember I rated ELP¨'s debut with the same three stars.
 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Throttle a lawyer. It's more satisfying.


But not Ivan.  He just posted your three star review.  Wink
 
Lawyers have an uncanny knack for creating a need for their services.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Wouldn't it be cool if we could fill the whole PA top 40 artists with PA members Lots of people on here have CDs out, let's do it.


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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Throttle a lawyer. It's more satisfying.


But not Ivan.  He just posted your three star review.  Wink
 
Hi Robert, had it ready since yesterday's night, but was so tired that went o bed, today I came home late and saw this thread so I was afraid to post it, but there is no reason to be afraid if you post what you believe.
 
Not a masterpiece neither a bad album, but with better production better things will come, remember I rated ELP¨'s debut with the same three stars.
 
Iván


As I mentioned to you, that was some fresh criticism.  Thumbs Up

Also, a bit of perspective I guess, as to how we look at debuts...last night I considered Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Dream Theater, and many others, and was overwhelmed to think, "Well, these great bands have pretty poorly-rated debuts."

I mean good Lord, Phideaux's first album has a 1.64, and the sophomore album is only rated twice as high or so. Even The Great Leap is only a 3.34.  Now his album this year hovers about the top five.  So you never know with anybody!

But as I said...I don't make music for Prog Archives, now do I?  WinkLOL
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Robert, as I've hinted at, I don't think you're going to get the type of criticism here that is going to be useful on albums number 2 and 3. There are some great sites that cater exactly to where you are. After I recorded my (actually a duo's) third album, I took it to many many sites. Some of them were useless and others taught me immense amounts about songwriting, recording, and where internet promotion is right now. The Muse's Muse is one. There is a huge range of talent there, from kids who are just cutting teeth to last years winner of the Great American songwriting competition. My songs get so many more positive comments now, though they may not be as personal. All of us have different things to learn, you have skills I still struggle with and there are some things I've picked up that might help you. But being on one of those sites where everyone is supporting each other to be better musicians really does help.

That is NOT what this site is for. And I frankly do not feel I can give an appropriate review here....it would be too nitpicky about specifics, back into my fellow musician mode and not in my giving information to a random consumer mode. 
 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually i think it was 4.....though if it had Italian vocals I might have went 5.  Wink


That's why I sang in Italian on the new album!!!
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Robert, as I've hinted at, I don't think you're going to get the type of criticism here that is going to be useful on albums number 2 and 3. There are some great sites that cater exactly to where you are. After I recorded my (actually a duo's) third album, I took it to many many sites. Some of them were useless and others taught me immense amounts about songwriting, recording, and where internet promotion is right now. The Muse's Muse is one. There is a huge range of talent there, from kids who are just cutting teeth to last years winner of the Great American songwriting competition. My songs get so many more positive comments now, though they may not be as personal. All of us have different things to learn, you have skills I still struggle with and there are some things I've picked up that might help you. But being on one of those sites where everyone is supporting each other to be better musicians really does help.

That is NOT what this site is for. And I frankly do not feel I can give an appropriate review here....it would be too nitpicky about specifics, back into my fellow musician mode and not in my giving information to a random consumer mode. 
 
Just a thought.


Why does everyone assume this is my only source for criticism?  Ermm

It isn't even a primary one...
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Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually i think it was 4.....though if it had Italian vocals I might have went 5.  Wink


That's why I sang in Italian on the new album!!!



LOL  Whoa....now that is cool! 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Phideaux Phideaux wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Actually i think it was 4.....though if it had Italian vocals I might have went 5.  Wink


That's why I sang in Italian on the new album!!!



LOL  Whoa....now that is cool! 
Please add some psych flavour as well on your new work. LOL
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Wouldn't it be cool if we could fill the whole PA top 40 artists with PA members Lots of people on here have CDs out, let's do it.



Ahem ... No one likes my idea?
 
This doesn't depend on us, we need the albums of 40 PA members to be worth 5 stars. 
 
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Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

]Please add some psych flavour as well on your new work. LOL


But DamoXt, we've already done that!!!  Didn't you hear our 313 album and Ghost Story?  Actually, maybe Ghost Story was glam...  I'm going to put Psych on my "to do" list.

Let me see...  We covered Jazz fusion on the new one as well as some small chamber violin bits.  We also nicked Stereolab with some vocal stuff...

Still to do:  Math rock, Sequenced Midi Pomp, Avant/RIO, and World influenced.  But, rest assured that's all in the works.  Our computer algorithm has been guiding our every move from album to album  -- from the song titles right down to the artwork!
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Wouldn't it be cool if we could fill the whole PA top 40 artists with PA members Lots of people on here have CDs out, let's do it.
Ahem ... No one likes my idea?

 

This doesn't depend on us, we need the albums of 40 PA members to be worth 5 stars. 

 

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The PA top 40 isn't based on ratings, it's based on visits to that person's page.

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