Reviews discussion

I'm genuinely looking forward to see how Still The Waters sounds. I've coped with music done by PA members before, both ways. I anticipate my impression to be somewhere in the middle.

One thing, when drawing the line to this bit monstruous discussion, is that perhaps the members who received STW as a monthly gift reward could be invited to review the product. This will either balance the rating, just like it happened eight out of ten times with normally popular albums, or will crown Robert as the new king of prog.

Of course, we could hope for more reviews, from outside spheres. After all, with all these high recommendations (counterpointed by just one of the opposite extreme) so far, many should theoretically be curious by now. I know I would.




Edited by Ricochet - August 15 2009 at 17:48

p0mt3 wrote: Epignosis wrote: p0mt3 wrote: Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such. Tony has said Alex favorably reviewed my work because he had a vested interested.  That's not opinion.  It's a falsehood. These two are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

No, I don't know.  An opinion is subjective.  True and false are objective.  It's a fact you rated my album four stars.  It's an opinion why you did.

If Alex rated my album for some vested interest, then I am at a total loss as to why.

But he didn't.

Excuse me.  I'm a tad disgusted.

Epignosis wrote: p0mt3 wrote: Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such. Tony has said Alex favorably reviewed my work because he had a vested interested.  That's not opinion.  It's a falsehood.

These two are not mutually exclusive, y'know.

Tony R wrote: He's has a vested interest in Epignosis being accepted as an artist here whilst being very much an amateur and also a member of the site.

I'm sorry- this makes absolutely no sense.  Please clarify.

To be somewhat less blunt than others in this debate; I know that if people have a close attachement to each other, and share sympathies, go through the same problems, share each others thoughts while working on material...

When the final product is there, and those who have been close by the artist in the creation, who have shared his or her thoughts and sentiments about the product or at least understand them and know them in some detail - those who are in such a position will in nine cases out of ten have a more positive view of that product.

Partially because of emotional attachment that has occured by to a greater or lesser extent following the birth labours (so to speak), but also because they will know in some detail what the artist wants to express, and will easier find this or those aspects in the finished product - and appreciate, know and understand the build up as well.

This goes for most forms of art I know of; or indeed  most products created.

And I'm pretty sure this has had an influence on the writings that has lead to this overheated debate as well.

I do not doubt the sincerity of certain writings nor of certain opinions. It's just that some people are in different worlds (in more meanings than one here) and to a greater or lesser degree fail to see just that.

In my more or less humble opinion.

Tony R wrote: I certainly do not believe my opinion is more valid than everyone else or anyone else. However my opinion is often backed up with a view of the "bigger picture" or other knowledge that gives me an advantage. As for not caring to know me in real life, well that's your right, even if it is a rather odd statement to make.

Don't take it personally. I don;t care to know most people in real life.

And btw, I hope you don't feel I was trying to speak for you; I was just addressing certain things that people seemed to think you were saying, regardless of what you truly meant. Just trying to keep things in the proper perspective.

I certainly do not believe my opinion is more valid than everyone else or anyone else. However my opinion is often backed up with a view of the "bigger picture" or other knowledge that gives me an advantage.

As for not caring to know me in real life, well that's your right, even if it is a rather odd statement to make.

Guys, I've learned not to argue with Tony R about anything. He isn't going to budge in his opinion, and he will always think his opinion is more valid than your own. It's just who he is, it would seem. I don't know him personally (and frankly I don't care to), but his attitude on this site seems to be a good enough reflection of his true face.

We all have our own opinions here, and some of us are going to have a more controversial/hurtful viewpoint from time to time. I doubt Tony is saying this stuff simply because he wishes to hurt anybody here; he's just very opinionated and very honest. Frankly, I think that's a noble quality, whether or not you think he is right or justified in his opinion, it's still his.

Alex; I have to be honest, here . . . I too found it quite unbelievable that you would consider STW a top 3 Symphonic Prog album, but if that is truly your opinion, who am I to claim anything but sincerity? If Tony R on the other hand thinks your daft, let him. Should his opinion really matter to you at the end of the day?

Robert; you know I very much like your music, and so far you seem to enjoy the stuff I am working on as well, and I would expect nothing but honesty from you, and I'm sure it's the same on your end. Tony seems to be very honest in his opinions, here. Shouldn't that be respected? It may not seem that he respects others' opinions on this, but is that really required of him? As far as I am concerned, he (just like the new guy who blasted STW) is giving his honest opinion, and even if that opinion includes the perspective that those of us who like your album have a 'vested interest', it's still his opinion, and should be respected as such.

Watch, I'll get attacked from all sides now for stepping in like this . . . *gulp!*


Edited by p0mt3 - August 15 2009 at 16:33

And what are you suggesting by that (although I think I know what you're referring to)?

Tony R wrote: He's has a vested interest in Epignosis being accepted as an artist here whilst being very much an amateur and also a member of the site.

I'm confused by what you mean. Could you elaborate a little please?