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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I have yet to delve into the Argentinian Magma.

PT hasn't really done it for me either -- I don't really mind the band, though. I find it mostly harmless.



You know, I saw Magma live twice.  Loved it.  Listened a half dozen albums, just couldn't get into any of them.  Hai Live was probably the one that I came closest to enjoying.  But this isn't all that unusual for me.  I can really enjoy bands in a live setting that I would normally not enjoy just listening to their music at home (Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum is another example of this for me).

As to PTree, I disliked them for several years (except for Sky Moves Sideways, which I've always liked).  But one day, they just suddenly clicked and now I can't get enough of their music.

Aside from Magma, the band on this site that I've tried hardest to like but just can't is Glass Hammer.
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Originally posted by souio souio wrote:

Everyone has a band that seems to be immensely popular on this site that just doesn't seem to click with people.

For me, it's IQ. I have no idea why exactly. I've tried listening to The Wake about 10 times and, while there are moments on the album which I enjoy, I just can't seem to get into it. Same with Subterranea. Their debut album seems to be my "favorite" album for me, but I just can't seem to get into them. Which is strange as two of my favorite bands are Marillion and Pendragon.

What are some bands that you can't quite get into?

Have you listened to "Dark Matter"? In my opinion, it is miles beyond any of IQ's other albums-esp. the song "Harvest of Souls". As for the rest of their stuff though, I agree, it leaves much to be desired.
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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ I have yet to delve into the Argentinian Magma.

PT hasn't really done it for me either -- I don't really mind the band, though. I find it mostly harmless.



You know, I saw Magma live twice.  Loved it.  Listened a half dozen albums, just couldn't get into any of them.  Hai Live was probably the one that I came closest to enjoying.  But this isn't all that unusual for me.  I can really enjoy bands in a live setting that I would normally not enjoy just listening to their music at home (Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum is another example of this for me).

As to PTree, I disliked them for several years (except for Sky Moves Sideways, which I've always liked).  But one day, they just suddenly clicked and now I can't get enough of their music.

Aside from Magma, the band on this site that I've tried hardest to like but just can't is Glass Hammer.


I think I rather burnt myself out on Vander's Magma.  I have more albums of theirs than any other band, and it was such a staple in my musical diet for so long....  Still love to see the band live, and hope that new studio album gets a release. Live/Hhai is one of my favourites of theirs.

Never got into Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, but probably if I'd seen them live it would be different (it's rare for a band in RIO/Avant not to really appeal to my tastes).

As for PT, I do quite like The Sky Moves Sideways.  Quite a good band that just never enthralled me.  Haven't put much effort into it.  These days I think I'm moving farther away from so-called Prog (like I've exhausted it having listened to so much of it over the last years).  I need to hear something that sounds really fresh/ unique/ quirky to my ears to catch my interest.  I think I'll be looking to more Eastern music for fresher experiences, and take a break from rock related music..


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Nearly every Progressive Metal Band. There are very few Genres that I can barely stand but Metal is one of them. I barely understand what is Progressive about them... do they not use distortion for once or something? I may just be biased, but who knows. Oddly enough though, I enjoy Primus and many "Hard-Rock" Bands.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Hope you enjoy it, other than that, Retrospektiw 1-2 gets the most regular playtime from me from Magma.

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Incidentally for Magmatics.  Just found an interesting video about Magma's tour to Japan:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgYARe43UA
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COnVPWfiSJs&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJduqWyFcg&feature=related

there is a 4th part too
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dDWMj74B4&feature=related

Vander looks like an aging gorilla in these videos, especially when playing drums


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For me, it's got to be ELP. Within my prog library only "Brain Salad Surgery" and "Tarkus" figure out of their entire discography because of what I was recommended to at the time and for it's constant popularity. Those are a couple of records I don't spin constantly in my player, just when I'm in the mood or concious about dusting them off from the case. I have to admit the sound of ELP is seminal to Prog world and very influential to the rise of some other great bands we all are familiar with. It's just that I can't completely turn myself over to ELP as I wish I could. I've listed to Prog Rock ever since I was 12 years old (now I'm 31) and "Brain Salad Surgery" was one of the first records I owned in the early days, and still, I'm unable to get it in my system. It's not that the music is as difficult to digest as I'm fond of some other bands that might seem "more elaborated" in musicianship. Maybe I've tried to hard and never gave ELP the chance to flow freely through my ears... Confused
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I've never gotten any topic to over 500 replies before! Thanks guys! The day after I posted this I forgot that I even created this topic and I reminded myself today wondering "Hmm, I wonder how many posts that topic got before dying.. if it's over 25 I will be shocked and proud of myself.. highly doubt it, though." After seeing  this now, I think I have to see a psychologist/optometrist - I thought I saw a couple of digits beside the 5!

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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I'm not a huge fan of Kraftwerk either, I started out opposed to Electronic Prog, but I have come to love TD and Schulze. I have never liked neo prog, I was thinking of giving it a try soon. I had to work at some bands before I could appreciate them, like Magma, but some clicked right away, I got into Canterbury very easily. I have Been listening to the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy pretty exclusively for the last couple days. Thumbs Up

I think that the hardest part of getting into a band is that you already come with preconceptions that can limit the extent of your enjoyment. The best thing to do is to try and forget everything and try to re-experience the music as if it's the first time you have heard it without any prior knowledge. It's hard to like Magma when you think "Oh yeah, that one band that chants like a bunch of baboons on helium."
Interesting point about Magma! Your preferences are like mine and you have made some interesting points. Having to work at some bands before appreciation comes to mind is very true. I have trouble getting into bands I grew up listening to like Genesis, Yes, ELP, and many underground bands from the 70's like Gong, Can, Camel etc; That's just being jaded from decades of listening pleasure. I listen to these types of bands maybe twice a year. I am always looking for archive type stuff from the early prog days hoping it might bring listening pleasure again. I seem to bounce around like a lunatic with one cd after another. Sometimes I sit and stare at the Miles Davis collection and fall asleep in the middle of making a decision on which title I want to hear. Fusion, Jazz, prog rock, folk, ethnic, classical, I've heard a vast quantity of music in my travels. My problem is that I am lost and don't know what to take a chance on for real.
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Falling asleep making decisions on what to listen to. That sounds exactly like me. Believe it or not I was looking at Miles Davis Bitches Brew last nite thinking shall i try it and go for it. I do the same with classical too. Reading your post made me laugh! Oh the joys. Let me know if u find anything interesting
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I take back my earlier comments about not being able to get into Genesis. I love 'em now.
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prog metal in general ( i like pain of salvation and used to like dream theater)
and it's not really a matter of getting into, i just don't like it.
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Originally posted by silcir silcir wrote:

prog metal in general ( i like pain of salvation and used to like dream theater)
and it's not really a matter of getting into, i just don't like it.
If you want to get into prog metal you should defently start listening to DT. Octavarium is a good place to start. Then is you start t really like it, start on the heavier stuff(Edge of Sanity).
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^^ He just said he used to like DTLOL

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I have probably mentioned that (the new album aside) I can't get myself to like The Mars Volta, and ELP still fails to impress me.

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ELP has good songs, such as Knife-Edge, and parts of Karn Evil 9. But, some of their other stuff does dissapiont a bit.
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I've given them a chance. I've got (almost) every ELP album, and every album has some great stuff on it just the final product never is worthy of mire than 3 stars (except maybe Tarkus). Far too much noodling, which is funny that I have a problem with ELP because of that, yet Dream Theater is one of my top 5 bands.

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Than again DT has much better instrumentals(in my opion).
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Never was much moved by Yes. I like CTTE well enough. And I'm one of those that found something to like about 90125 LOL But really, I just never made the connection with them on an emotional level. I never reach for their music to play.

I still enjoy DT's 'Images and Words' and 'Awake', but everything after that bores me. I feel as if I've heard each new song before, and I've made multiple passes at each album as they come out, trying to find the spark that originally got to me. It's not there at all. Can't stand them now.

Pink Floyd. Another I've just never connected with emotionally. I don't dislike them at all, but I just don't feel anything for them.
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Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by silcir silcir wrote:

prog metal in general ( i like pain of salvation and used to like dream theater)
and it's not really a matter of getting into, i just don't like it.
If you want to get into prog metal you should defently start listening to DT. Octavarium is a good place to start. Then is you start t really like it, start on the heavier stuff(Edge of Sanity).


well i've listened to all DT albums released (well, besides the last one, i don't care anymore about DT), and Octavarium is a bad album for me, it is in their 2003 realease that i felt everything falling apart and i started losing interest, i still can listen do things from images and words, awake and scenes part 2 and not feel bored though.

As for other prog metal stuff i've tried a bunch of bands and for me pain of salvation is the only real awesome band from the genre, they'r the only amazing one. i do like riverside, some voivod, operation mindcrime and find ziltoid funny to listen. But the music in general feels too cold.
I like Tool, Opeth (Damnation) and Mastodon a lot though but they don't really belong in prog metal at my eyes. I find the prog rock bands thousands of times more interesting.
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Originally posted by *frinspar* *frinspar* wrote:

Never was much moved by Yes. I like CTTE well enough. And I'm one of those that found something to like about 90125 LOL But really, I just never made the connection with them on an emotional level. I never reach for their music to play.

I still enjoy DT's 'Images and Words' and 'Awake', but everything after that bores me. I feel as if I've heard each new song before, and I've made multiple passes at each album as they come out, trying to find the spark that originally got to me. It's not there at all. Can't stand them now.

Pink Floyd. Another I've just never connected with emotionally. I don't dislike them at all, but I just don't feel anything for them.
 
My journey into prog started with Asia's Asia and Yes' 90125.  lol
 
Warning: this post contains heavy philosophical musings...but I do mention Dream Theater in here somewhere...
 
I have a few honed theories about subjective appreciation of specific members within a general category of experience; i.e. specific bands within the realm of progressive rock. 
 
1.  No one who claims to like progressive rock likes all progressive rock bands.  If they did wouldn't that seem insincere or shallow?  Does anyone really like all flavors of ice cream equally who really likes ice cream?  Are there not flavors that ruin the otherwise generalized experience of ice cream?
 
2.  We tend to like most those specific bands that first came to our attention.  Like falling in love for the first time the experience is more intense.  I find that as intense as these "first bands" are this effect will diminish over time if one is seriously open to music.  At first blush our psychologies over-value the first instance and "project" all sorts of things onto this particular representative (band) of the class (prog).
 
3.  There may be an open door period when one can accept closely related members of a similar kind before one begins to selectively thin out from the multitudes.  Now if you have plenty of time and money, this period might prolong indefinitely.  But if you don't you will find yourself prizing one over another with non-objective justification.
 
4.  Those specific bands we prefer tend to preclude other bands with similar characteristics from being favored.  It is as if we have only so much room for our preferences to match actual specific manifestations in the world.  Too much of a good thing is still too much and we will subjectively reject what, on objective grounds, is an equivalent because
 
5.  Within the realm of an experience (prog) we tend to find a diverse array of representatives.  This is something like finding the primary and secondary color representatives (prog bands) out of the whole spectrum of that experience (prog in general).
 
I see the above as objective reasons why we might have our subjective differences.  There are other factors as well that are more particular to one's personal (music appreciation/performance) history, but I think of these things when I try to understand why I can't/haven't yet got into Spock's Beard or Dream Theater.
 
Considering that we are flesh and blood creatures with instinctual needs that evolved in a landscape that includes the need to make quick choices, satisfy mortal hungers and achieve a stable mastery of forces we cannot simply control and do all this with a limited budget of time and energy, the need to establish arbitrary subjective preferences probably is a build in side-effect (aka product feature) of how our minds have evolved to work.
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