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markosherrera
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 00:18 |
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?
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Hi progmaniacs of all the world
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Dean
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 02:39 |
Epignosis wrote:
By the way, what Jeremiah was prophesying against is nothing remotely close to our modern day Christmas trees, but likely described the worship of Asherah. Just FYI. |
The christmas tree (along with holly, ivy, mistletoe and yule logs) is a pagan emblem associated with saturnalia, yule, the winter solstice and as you note asherah (asarte, ishtar, etc - the mother goddess), it's adoption by the christian religions is pretty recent.
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Failcore
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 04:04 |
markosherrera wrote:
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?
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No. Bad.
Edited by Deathrabbit - August 04 2009 at 04:07
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 03:49 |
markosherrera wrote:
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?
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ever heard about the story of the man who was drowning?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:08 |
markosherrera wrote:
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc? |
Thessalonians 3:10-12 (New International Version)
10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat
Iván
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JLocke
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:11 |
hitting_singularity2 wrote:
markosherrera wrote:
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?
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ever heard about the story of the man who was drowning?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 17:24 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
markosherrera wrote:
If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc? |
Thessalonians 3:10-12 (New International Version)
10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat
Iván |
The quote about busybodies has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of busybodies as I know it: a person who pries into or meddles in the affairs of others. Animals that aren't pets constantly work to eat. Ah, such it is with language. Busey bodies?
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 13 2009 at 16:15
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 21:38 |
Well Starti, the point is that you cant rely exclusively in God, you have to work for yourself, and only then ask or his help, God will work WITH you not FOR you..
Ben Franklin said it clearly: "God helps those who help themselves"
Iván
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 21:58 |
I'd just like to say that I just started reading this thread from the beginning today (as I've been away from PA for a while), and I'm barely halfway through it because there's so much interesting and thought-provoking discussion going on. I'll try to fully catch up before posing serious questions and adding ideas, but I'll definitely participate in the future. I'm at a point in my life where I'm seriously considering my faith/non-faith in things, and while I believe in God I've found it difficult to fully embrace Christianity, but mainly because I've never seen it discussed on such a rational and thought-provoking level. I'm liking a lot of what I'm reading, and I find Deathrabbit's ideas particularly interesting, as it seems he's trying to reconcile a lot of the same things that I am (coming from a scientific and philosophical background). I wish I could find a church that engages in this kind of discussion, since in most that I've been to, it seems to be a one-way dialoge. My wife-to-be and I are in the market for a church to attend together and I've found a lot of ideas in this thread to guide me on my way... ... which is just another reason that I forgot I loved PA besides the music discussion. You can have a coherent dialogue with folks about anything here. Try this thread anywhere else on the internet... it's nothing but "LOL INVISIBLE SKY W1ZARD!!". So, thanks. I'll be back when I'm finished reading.
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:20 |
not coming from a Christian background, I wonder what the consensus among different groups of Christians is on the topic of the harmony of science and religion.
I really liked the book/movie Angels and Demons because that was the main point at the end of the story, and it seems to suggest that this is the way of the future (?)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 13 2009 at 16:16 |
Apolgies in advance, maybe we need a separate thread for this kind of thing: kinda looks like Gary Busey
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 13 2009 at 16:17
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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who-knows-it's-prog
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Posted: August 13 2009 at 20:27 |
Where in the bible does it say abortions are against the great never seen gods wishes?????
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:35 |
What happened to all the good discussion in this thread?? Bring it back!
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:36 |
I went on vacation.
But now I'm back again.
And babe it's gonna work out fine...
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 11:38 |
who-knows-it's-prog wrote:
Where in the bible does it say abortions are against the great never seen gods wishes????? | Exodus 20:13 is a start.
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Diaby
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 13:36 |
who-knows-it's-prog wrote:
Where in the bible does it say abortions are against the great never seen gods wishes????? |
I feel a small amount of irony in your comment. If you're interested in the thing why Christians consider absortions being bad, I can only answer you one thing. If I was no Christian but moral, I would find these actions cruel and inhuman as well, and if the God I trust is against them, I'll be doubly convinced. One of the most important things is to bear the responsibility of your actions.
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A Person
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 14:22 |
hitting_singularity2 wrote:
not coming from a Christian background, I wonder what the consensus among different groups of Christians is on the topic of the harmony of science and religion.
I really liked the book/movie Angels and Demons because that was the main point at the end of the story, and it seems to suggest that this is the way of the future (?)
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I have been wondering the same thing. I don't see how believing in creationism excludes evolution.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 14:37 |
I'm Catholic personally and we most definitely believe in evolution. No real dichotomy between Catholicism and science.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 14:48 |
A Person wrote:
hitting_singularity2 wrote:
not coming from a Christian background, I wonder what the consensus among different groups of Christians is on the topic of the harmony of science and religion.
I really liked the book/movie Angels and Demons because that was the main point at the end of the story, and it seems to suggest that this is the way of the future (?)
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I have been wondering the same thing. I don't see how believing in creationism excludes evolution.
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Simple view: as far as I can see it, there's no opposition whatsoever. Pretty much all of the Christians I know (pretty much all Anglicans) would agree.
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 07:48 |
Certainly evolution is compatible with the idea of God, but it's not exactly compatible with the Bible (something I'm sorry to say a lot of Christians disregard in the course of constructing their view of ethics), unless you immediately dismiss the first few pages as allegory.
At any rate, I do not believe in evolution (macroevolution at any rate- I have no problem with the idea of gradual changes occurring within a given species). And yes, I can almost hear the eyes rolling as I say that. Oh well. I have been given many more reasons to believe what the Bible says than what evolutionists say.
But there is one thing no evolutionist has ever explained to me. Oh sure, I know historically Christians have used the complexity of the human eye to show it must be designed, and that the "chance" of evolution could never have created something so intricate. I even had a professor spend a whole class talking about that one subject (not that his explanation satisfied me, but whatever- he was one of those crappy professors I talked about in the atheist thread anyway). That's not where I'm going today.
Here is a huge reason why I don't believe in evolution: Evolution posits that life as we know it evolved over millions of years from amoebic, single-celled, asexual organisms. Beneficial changes occur over time and, as those creatures with the changes reproduce and pass on those good variations, the change is no longer minor, but major.
Wherefore, then, two sexes?
I cannot think of a single reason why the evolutionary process would yield two very distinct genders that must coexist in order to reproduce (and that the reproductive system of man and woman are so perfectly compatible). Asexual reproduction would, evolutionarily speaking, be ideal- it's safer, no long term gestation periods, that "mothers" don't have to care for their young for a period of time (as mammals must), etc.
I simply do not see how two distinct yet symbiotic sexes could be produced through evolution.
God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:27)
Edited by Epignosis - September 18 2009 at 07:49
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