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Poll Question: Which of these is four or five stars? (you can vote for more than one)
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
30 [15.38%]
20 [10.26%]
17 [8.72%]
30 [15.38%]
20 [10.26%]
5 [2.56%]
5 [2.56%]
9 [4.62%]
2 [1.03%]
5 [2.56%]
30 [15.38%]
2 [1.03%]
20 [10.26%]
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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

I am sorry Threefates, but as you know I have never been bowled over by Yes as of yet and Brain Salad Surgery to me is just good....not great. I much prefer their 1st 2 albums. ELP has alot of great music ,but there is always something on each album that doesn't quite win me over. I don't mean to slam anyone's tastes or insult anyone, it is just my opinion.

I'm not knocking your opinion Greg... just thinking that saying the others are unnecessary sort of bothers me. 

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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Also I must say...I have never heard Spock's Beard or Porcupine Tree as of yet

I've got (downloaded...) Spock's Beard's "The Light" and Porcupine Tree's "Signify" and "Lightbulb Sun." I'm going to get "Snow" eventually I think.
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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 12:54
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

I am sorry Threefates, but as you know I have never been bowled over by Yes as of yet and Brain Salad Surgery to me is just good....not great. I much prefer their 1st 2 albums. ELP has alot of great music ,but there is always something on each album that doesn't quite win me over. I don't mean to slam anyone's tastes or insult anyone, it is just my opinion.

I'm not knocking your opinion Greg... just thinking that saying the others are unnecessary sort of bothers me. 

3 stars is still good Threefates...that is what I would have awarded those
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I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))
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Well its pretty obvious which one is going to be my top vote

next goes to The Wall.....none others awarded as im not a Yes or ELP fan and Ive not heard those other albums

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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2004 at 14:02

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))

I've tried that Goose, and it still hasn't worked for me!Confused
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Personally I like "In Absentia" and "Signify" much better than "Lightbulb Sun"
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

I think it'll take a lot of listens for me to get into A Passion Play (apart from the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles :))

I've tried that Goose, and it still hasn't worked for me!Confused

 

D'ya know what "Passion Play" is about? I stayed up till 1:30 last night reading the annotation at http://www.ministry-of-information.co.uk/app/index.htm

It's about Ronnie Pilgrim: he dies, then goes to limbo, then is shown a video of himself in life (eg, the "passion play"), then goes to heaven and finds it really boring, and he talks to "G. Oddie" (God) about relocating to hell; then he talks to Lucifer and decides hell sucks too; then he escapes, wishing he was alive again; so finally he decides to take a ferry to the real world to get reincarnated.

Has nothing to do with Jesus: don't let the title fool you. A tip: before I get an album, I read the lyrics and annotations so that I fully understand it before I buy it. Then when I get it, the first listen is easier to get, and two or three listens later you 'get' all of it.
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A Passion Play, whatīs wrong with difficult music ??? 
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There's nothing wrong with it as such, I can appreciate the work that's gone into it, it just hasn't clicked with me yet, maybe because I wasn't expecting anything anywhere near as far out from Jethro Tull?
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Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

A Passion Play, whatīs wrong with difficult music ??? 

To my mind none of the works mentioned are anything less than 4 star entertainment. I certainly do not feel that A Passion Play is difficult musically.I do feel that if you have to resort to calling something difficult it does suggest there are inherant faults with it.Tales of Topographic Oceans is over-ambitious,and over-long, but I take my hat off to them for being bold. 90125 also by Yes is the opposite-it lacks direction and focus and seems to me to have been put together by committee whereas strong leadership would have realised that this kind of commercialism could only hasten the band's demise.

 
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I don't find "Passion play" difficult , just disappointing. After "Thick as a Brick", I eagerly anticipated Tull's next album. I hoped that my initial lack of appreciation would disappear with repeated listens, but it didn't. I don't think the composition on the album is any where near the standard Tull set on other albums.

VC, what do you think of the "Nightcap" album? Personally, I find the music of the "Chateau Disaster" tapes, (which was the initial attempt to make a follow up to "TAAB") to be far better than "A Passion play".

It's interesting that on the sleevenotes for "Nightcap", Ian Anderson himself  describes "A passion play" as "down-beat and controversial".



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Easy Livin wrote: "I don't find "Passion play" difficult , just disappointing."

Very difficult task to top "Thick As A Brick", though!

 
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Well I donīt find Passion Play disappointing, just different, who needs TAAB 2 ??

Some parts of the Disaster Tapes ended up on Passion Play and Skating Away + Only Solitaire ended up on Warchild.

But as always, it all comes down to personal taste.
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I prefer A Passion Play to Thick As A Brick. So sue me.

Also, side one of AHM is an extreeeeemely satisfying piece of music - and this is coming from someone who really can't see what all the fuss is about with regard to Floyd.

Finally Relayer is at least my 2nd favourite Yes album, Wakeman or no Wakeman. Anyone who writes it off for that reason alone doesn't deserve to have ears.
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FOR ME THE ALBUMS THAT ARE REALLY CONTROVERSIAL AMONG ALL OF THOSE ARE:

ATOM HEART MOTHER (5 STARS)

TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS (5 STARS)

A PASSION PLAY (4 STARS)

THE FIRST TWO ARE REALLY GREAT, I DON'T CARE IF WATERS AND CO. ARE ASHAMED ON THIS, HEAR THE MUSIC AND IT'S SIMPLY FANTASTIC. TALES IS THE BEST ALBUM MADE BY YES, BY FAR.

A PASSION PLAY IS A GOOD ALBUM WITH GREAT INSTRUMENTATION, BUT WITH THE MOST OBSCURED LYRICS ANDERSON HAD EVER WRITTEN.  
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I voted Tales From a Topographic Ocean. If 6 stars were availabe ! The absolute perfect harmony, structure of the music and interlacing of instrumentation makes TFTO ; THE ALBUM OF THE CENTURY.

Brain Salad Surgery is definitly a 5 star album....rest my case !

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I just voted for Relayer, got it yesterday. Definitely 4 or 4.5 stars, maybe 5. Haven't decided yet.

But regarding Passion Play, I haven't heard it yet, but I already understand most of the lyrics. (see previous post for annotations site). It looks like something I could get into, but then again I can't be sure. It's on my list of "top ten things I should buy next time I get allowance" up there with "AHM" and "Songs from the Wood" etc.... I'm mainly trying to figure out who I agree with and therefore what album I should get. Yeah...
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Points: 2779 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2004 at 11:22

Tales from Topographic would be a controversial album for me.

'Cos I think it's sh*te.

Okay, maybe not 'Ritual'; that's okay. Good live version on 'Yesshows'.

Nice artwork as well.

Oh crap, I think I've gone and changed my mind......

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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Also I must say...I have never heard Spock's Beard or Porcupine Tree as of yet

???? You haven't!!!!!! We're talking about maybe two of the best "mainstream" progbands during the 90s-00s. When it comes to SP, you should buy everything they've released with Neal Morse at the helm. That's all the albums except the latest one "Feel Euphoria". As for Porcupine Tree.....GET EVERYTHING, even though they where more space rock than prog in the start of Mr. Wilson's career



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