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Tsevir Leirbag
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Topic: Prog's not prog. Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:33 |
Sometimes, I think there are prog songs (made by prog bands), that are not prog. Most of the time, I don't like it because it sounds commercial or even really like popular music.
What do you think about it?/What are the "non-prog" prog songs that you like/you dislike?
Edited by ProGR72 - July 25 2009 at 15:35
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:37 |
I'm not keen on 'New World Man' by Rush. When I first heard it I hated it and considered anything lighter than Motorhead as pop. These days I think it's ok. Interestingly I love 'Time Stand Still'
The only pop songs by prog bands I dont like is the muck Genesis put in the charts in the 80's, with the exception of Mama and Land of Confusion.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:41 |
Blacksword wrote:
pop songs by prog bands I dont like is the muck Genesis put in the charts in the 80's, with the exception of Mama and Land of Confusion. |
I agree, without the exception of Mama and land of confusion. In fact, I can't stant Collins-ere Genesis. ![LOL LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:43 |
Ha! I think their best album is 'A Trick of the Tail'
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:51 |
I thought the topic was going to be saying that Progressive Rock does not equal progressive rock.
Anyway, I'm less likely to think of "bands" as Prog, or not, as "music" as Prog, or not. Though I'd pretty much like to scrap the Prog term altogether.
I think of War by Slapp Happy/ Henry Cow as more avant pop than Prog (in fact I think of Slapp Happy primarily as avant pop), but I like it.
Magma's "I Must Return" is poppy, but I like it.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:51 |
The Final Cut by Pink Floyd is one of the best albums ever made, but I don't think it can be called a progressive album, even though it is not a commercial album. I also don't dislike A Momentary Lapse, which is pretty commercial rock, but the 80's style it has makes it annoying at some moments. I like some 80's Rush songs, I don't know much of those though, as the only post Moving pictures album I've got is A Show Of Hands, their live album from the late 80's.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:52 |
'Prog' by definition is something very few bands here actually live up to, so i think you might just be reading bit too much into it.
I dunno . . . when I write music, I write what I feel like writing, and if it comes out Prog, Pop, Jazz, whatever, it still comes from the heart, so I don;t worry about it.
If these Prog guys constantly second guessed themselves about whether or not this song or that song is 'prog enough', we'd get nowhere.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:57 |
Is it impossible for commerical sounding music to be good, though? Popular music has its place, and bands like Genesis and Yes have produced good quality music of such a nature, without compromising their musical integrity, in my opinion. But then again, that's just me.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:57 |
It is counter-productive to being progressive to try to sound/be Prog in a sense. You also have bands who have made their names in the prog arena who deliberately aim to go pop, which can lead to some pretty poor results. Prog by numbers can be as bad as pop by numbers (with pop I guess you can't take the numbers out of the equation).
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:02 |
You know, ladies and germs, how progressive a song is has nothing to do with how good it is. It might have something to do with how ambitious it is... but if you accept that there is a way to go from having high ambitions and living up to them.
As for my picks? Lost Johnny's one of my favourite Hawkwind songs despite being a straight-up simple garage rock tune, basically a prototype for Motörhead since it has Lemmy singing. Jethro Tull I find just as adept at straight-up blues rock or folksy stuff as at their genre-busting progressive epics... and, yeah, there is a time and place for their simpler songs.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:04 |
King Crimson is prog
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:33 |
Blacksword wrote:
Ha! I think their best album is 'A Trick of the Tail' ![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
Yeah, I guess this one's "listenable" ![LOL LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
It's not bad.
My favourite's Foxtrot.
Edited by ProGR72 - July 25 2009 at 16:33
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:46 |
p0mt3 wrote:
'Prog' by definition is something very few bands here actually live up to, so i think you might just be reading bit too much into it.
I dunno . . . when I write music, I write what I feel like writing, and if it comes out Prog, Pop, Jazz, whatever, it still comes from the heart, so I don;t worry about it.
If these Prog guys constantly second guessed themselves about whether or not this song or that song is 'prog enough', we'd get nowhere.
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Logan wrote:
It is counter-productive to being progressive to try to sound/be Prog in a sense. You also have bands who have made their names in the prog arena who deliberately aim to go pop, which can lead to some pretty poor results. Prog by numbers can be as bad as pop by numbers (with pop I guess you can't take the numbers out of the equation). |
This is NOT what I meant, I was not alking about bands that tried to be prog and failed. I was talking about prog bands that made commercial songs/or just non-prog songs. I'm sure ELP did'nt want to make prog when In the Hot Seat came out.
Toaster Mantis wrote:
You know, ladies and germs, how progressive a song is has nothing to do with how good it is.
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I know this too. And I certainly agree!
Edited by ProGR72 - July 25 2009 at 16:49
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:57 |
Music is not Music Unless it is silence. THAT is the purest form of music
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:59 |
Pardon? In the OP it looked like you didn't like it when prog rock bands tried to do other genres because it sounded too much like "ordinary music"...
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 17:44 |
Blacksword wrote:
Ha! I think their best album is 'A Trick of the Tail' ![](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I'll second that!
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 18:03 |
ProGR72 wrote:
I'm sure ELP did'nt want to make prog when In the Hot Seat came out.
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In fact they did. But the record label neede a commercial hit to stave of going bust (it didn't work), so they pulled the strings on that album, even drafting co-wrters in.
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:34 |
ProGR72 wrote:
Sometimes, I think there are prog songs (made by prog bands), that are not prog. Most of the time, I don't like it because it sounds commercial or even really like popular music.
What do you think about it?/What are the "non-prog" prog songs that you like/you dislike? |
I like or dislike all prog or non prog that I like or don't like you know... ![Tongue Tongue](smileys/smiley17.gif) I already got one, it's verrrry nice.
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:35
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:40 |
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Pardon? In the OP it looked like you didn't like it when prog rock bands tried to do other genres because it sounded too much like "ordinary music"...
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That's the impression I got fro that as well. Normally, I would ask for the TS to explain himself, but he's now at exactly 111 posts, and that's just too cool to ruin, so I won't push for him to make another post.
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