The Christian Thread

Apolgies in advance, maybe we need a separate thread for this kind of thing:

kinda looks like Gary Busey



Edited by Slartibartfast - August 13 2009 at 16:17

I'd just like to say that I just started reading this thread from the beginning today (as I've been away from PA for a while), and I'm barely halfway through it because there's so much interesting and thought-provoking discussion going on.

I'll try to fully catch up before posing serious questions and adding ideas, but I'll definitely participate in the future.

I'm at a point in my life where I'm seriously considering my faith/non-faith in things, and while I believe in God I've found it difficult to fully embrace Christianity, but mainly because I've never seen it discussed on such a rational and thought-provoking level.  I'm liking a lot of what I'm reading, and I find Deathrabbit's ideas particularly interesting, as it seems he's trying to reconcile a lot of the same things that I am (coming from a scientific and philosophical background).

I wish I could find a church that engages in this kind of discussion, since in most that I've been to, it seems to be a one-way dialoge.  My wife-to-be and I are in the market for a church to attend together and I've found a lot of ideas in this thread to guide me on my way...

... which is just another reason that I forgot I loved PA besides the music discussion.  You can have a coherent dialogue with folks about anything here.   Try this thread anywhere else on the internet... it's nothing but "LOL INVISIBLE SKY W1ZARD!!".  So, thanks.  I'll be back when I'm finished reading.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: markosherrera wrote: If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?   Thessalonians 3:10-12 (New International Version) 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."  11We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the bread they eat Iván

The quote about busybodies has nothing to do with the dictionary definition of busybodies as I know it:
a person who pries into or meddles in the affairs of others.

Animals that aren't pets constantly work to eat.  Ah, such it is with language.
Busey bodies?



Edited by Slartibartfast - August 13 2009 at 16:15

markosherrera wrote: If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?

markosherrera wrote: If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?

No. Bad.


Edited by Deathrabbit - August 04 2009 at 04:07

If you trust in God, why ask for help to the police, doctors, firemen, etc?

Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: By the way, what Jeremiah was prophesying against is nothing remotely close to our modern day Christmas trees, but likely described the worship of Asherah.  Just FYI.   Hey, my last Christian involvement was with the Worldwide Church Of God, so take it as you will.  I was kind of surprised to find out that Garner Ted Armstrong had died.  He'd split off from the WCOG a while ago... But, are you arguing that intent overrides practice? I wasn't aware I was arguing anything.  Poor choice of word, do you believe that intent overrides practice?  If you are practicing something that the Bible says is an abomination is it OK as long as your intent isn't pagan?

Oh, I think I misunderstood what you were saying.

I really don't believe you can practice an abomination with a good intent (insofar as the Bible defines both "abomination" and "good.")...I'm trying to think of a specific instance that might be an exception, but I am coming up short.

Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: By the way, what Jeremiah was prophesying against is nothing remotely close to our modern day Christmas trees, but likely described the worship of Asherah.  Just FYI.   Hey, my last Christian involvement was with the Worldwide Church Of God, so take it as you will.  I was kind of surprised to find out that Garner Ted Armstrong had died.  He'd split off from the WCOG a while ago... But, are you arguing that intent overrides practice?

I wasn't aware I was arguing anything. 

By the way, what Jeremiah was prophesying against is nothing remotely close to our modern day Christmas trees, but likely described the worship of Asherah.  Just FYI.  

Slartibartfast wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: rushfan4 wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: markosherrera wrote:  For me the religions and priests many time invades the politic ,and this is the problem    Separation of Church and State. Always! Religion should remain personal.     i.e. put up a Holiday Tree instead of a Christmas Tree. Agreed! Interesting but not well known, there's a verse in the Old Testament that says the Christmas tree is an abomination. Jeremiah 10:1-5 about this: "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, o house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord, learn not the ways of the heathen and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They deck it with silver and with gold: they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are "upright" as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

We put plastic on ours.