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PROGMONSTER2008 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 09 2007 Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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40 minutes is the perfect length.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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To me an album is over long when it contains too much filler. I am perfectly content with GG albums that are short, all the way up to the 80 minute TFTO. If the music feels like it has lost it's "drive" or passion or w/e you want to call it, then that music should be cut from the album.A good examples iare most pop albums, where you can clearly tell the hit of the album from the filler.
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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I knew answers like this were coming so that's why I asked for sensible comments
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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progkidjoel ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
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![]() Couldn'tve said it better myself! |
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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Strange enough I agree with you on this one. Strange because I'm a huge TFK fan. But yes they have several dispensable songs on all of their releases. But I do wonder what you would think of the example I mentioned. I'd say check out Martigan and I'm curious what you would say about the length then !
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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The Runaway ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2009 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 3144 |
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40 minutes is NOT the perfect length for an album, it's just that around 44 minutes of a single record, the record would lose quality. Van der Graaf was notorious for making albums around 51 minutes length in 1976, and such. Now, that the CD is out, the most you can do is 80 minutes, and after that it is just impossible to burn on.
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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Oh come on, there is no perfect length.
I know 35 minute albums that are too long, and I know maxed out double CDs that aren't long enough.
It depends entirely what's on them.
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valravennz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 20 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2546 |
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Unfortunately - yes - some albums can be too long. Double cd's tend to be the worst. Frankly, I inveritably listen to the first cd on a two cd set and either ignore or fall asleep during the second cd. I cite the recent release of Dream Theatre as a prime example and others such as "Snow" by Spock's Beard and TLLDOB by Genesis. I really think that anything over 70 mins is stretching the concentration and listening power of most. Annoyingly, it requires several listens to actually hear the album as a whole or in my case, if it has not been absorbed by then, the album ends up on the "may-be later" pile.
I am fairly certain this topic has been around the forum before on several occassions and I agree with previous comments that the best album length is between 40 and 50 mins.
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npjnpj ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
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I think that being able to listen to a long album in one sitting shouldn't really be a consideration. It would be unfair to a release to be judged on the strength of how much time a listener has to spare. An abundance of time is a luxury not all of us have.
I can get aquainted with a long album in several sessions and get to know and like it just as well as a shorter length album.
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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There is of course the other extreme. Can an album be too short?
![]() I was listening to Van Halens 1984, the other day, having just bought the CD to replace my vinyl copy. I'd forgotten it was only about 35 mins! Still a good album, though. |
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The Runaway ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2009 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 3144 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnium_(album%29
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Well, if you were a death-metal fan, you could scream "Thieves!" at Deicide: most of their albums are under the 30 minutes! In the same time, French death-metallers Loudblast called the 29 minutes "Cross the Threshold" an EP. I prefer the honesty of my fellow countrymen. The CD version of "1984" is only 35 minutes long? VH never released some b-sides? This information makes me nearly glad to never have bought any Iron Maiden CD until now: there are plenty of bonus tracks on the new CD versions! And the Iron Maiden are NEVER too long. |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18146 |
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Hi,
I say no ... if someone is more worried about length than they are in the music, then may I suggest that tthey drop the "prog" idea and go participate in teh Variety's top 100.
Please ... take a stand ... this is important for the development of music!
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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As others have said, it's not about the absolute length but about
whether the band is inventive enough to hold your attention for
whatever be the album's length. Reign In Blood - not prog! - is one of
the shortest albums I have heard and I get bored halfway until the
title track comes to lift the proceedings.
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progvortex ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 21 2008 Status: Offline Points: 242 |
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YES an album can be too long
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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It depends on your listening habits. I listen to music on my ipod when I take my dog for a walk. The walk lasts about an hour, and I like to listen to an album from start to finish. If the album is much longer than an hour, I find I can't squeeze all the tracks in, which is most unsatisfactory. So, yes I think some albums are too long. For me 60 minutes is the perfect length. 78 minutes is frustratingly overlong.
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Evolver ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams Joined: October 22 2005 Location: The Idiocracy Status: Offline Points: 5482 |
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Nearly all country albums are too long, no matter what the length.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Soul Dreamer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 997 |
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Martigan's album Vision isn't a minute too long, I love it from beginning to end. It's the best neo album in years... |
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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Thanks for your honest answer. But I'm afraid I'm a lone minority on this subject.
![]() ![]() Doesn't matter, it's still my opinion.
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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