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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2009 at 22:23
40 minutes is the perfect length.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 00:01
To me an album is over long when it contains too much filler. I am perfectly content with GG albums that are short, all the way up to the 80 minute TFTO. If the music feels like it has lost it's "drive" or passion or w/e you want to call it, then that music should be cut from the album.A good examples iare most pop albums, where you can clearly tell the hit of the album from the filler.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 01:12
Originally posted by Luca Pacchiarini Luca Pacchiarini wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

Can albums be too long?
 
Of course, every Dream Theater album which is longer than 3 seconds bores me to death Wink
 
I knew answers like this were coming so that's why I asked for sensible comments Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 01:16
Originally posted by ProGR72 ProGR72 wrote:

If the album's good, there's no such problem as "too long album", I think WinkSmile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 01:18
Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

The answer to the question is Yes, an album can be too long, especially when while playing it you get the feeling that it's getting boring, while you like the music generally...TFK is notorious for this (for me). 
 
Strange enough I agree with you on this one. Strange because I'm a huge TFK fan. But yes they have several dispensable songs on all of their releases. But I do wonder what you would think of the example I mentioned. I'd say check out Martigan and I'm curious what you would say about the length then !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 03:40
40 minutes is NOT the perfect length for an album, it's just that around 44 minutes of a single record, the record would lose quality. Van der Graaf was notorious for making albums around 51 minutes length in 1976, and such. Now, that the CD is out, the most you can do is 80 minutes, and after that it is just impossible to burn on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 05:59
Oh come on, there is no perfect length.
I know 35 minute albums that are too long, and I know maxed out double CDs that aren't long enough.
It depends entirely what's on them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 06:41
Unfortunately - yes - some albums can be too long. Double cd's tend to be the worst. Frankly, I inveritably listen to the first cd on a two cd set and either ignore or fall asleep during the second cd.  I cite the recent release of Dream Theatre as a prime example and others such as "Snow" by Spock's Beard and TLLDOB by Genesis. I really think that anything over 70 mins is stretching the concentration and listening power of most. Annoyingly, it requires several listens to actually hear the album as a whole or in my case, if it has not been absorbed by then, the album ends up on the "may-be later" pile.
 
I am fairly certain this topic has been around the forum before on several occassions and I agree with previous comments that the best album length is between 40 and 50 mins.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 06:49
I think that being able to listen to a long album in one sitting shouldn't really be a consideration. It would be unfair to a release to be judged on the strength of how much time a listener has to spare. An abundance of time is a luxury not all of us have.
 
I can get aquainted with a long album in several sessions and get to know and like it just as well as a shorter length album.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 06:49
There is of course the other extreme. Can an album be too short?

I was listening to Van Halens 1984, the other day, having just bought the CD to replace my vinyl copy. I'd forgotten it was only about 35 mins! Still a good album, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 09:48
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnium_(album%29

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 10:35
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

There is of course the other extreme. Can an album be too short?

I was listening to Van Halens 1984, the other day, having just bought the CD to replace my vinyl copy. I'd forgotten it was only about 35 mins! Still a good album, though.


Well, if you were a death-metal fan, you could scream "Thieves!" at Deicide: most of their albums are under the 30 minutes! In the same time, French death-metallers Loudblast called the 29 minutes "Cross the Threshold" an EP.
I prefer the honesty of my fellow countrymen.

The CD version of "1984" is only 35 minutes long? VH never released some b-sides? This information makes me nearly glad to never have bought any Iron Maiden CD until now: there are plenty of bonus tracks on the new CD versions! And the Iron Maiden are NEVER too long.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 11:32
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I say no ... if someone is more worried about length than they are in the music, then  may I suggest that tthey drop the "prog" idea and go participate in teh Variety's top 100.
 
Please ... take a stand ... this is important for the development of music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 12:03
As others have said, it's not about the absolute length but about whether the band is inventive enough to hold your attention for whatever be the album's length. Reign In Blood - not prog! - is one of the shortest albums I have heard and I get bored halfway until the title track comes to lift the proceedings. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 14:23
YES an album can be too long
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 16:43
It depends on your listening habits.  I listen to music on my ipod when I take my dog for a walk. The walk lasts about an hour, and I like to listen to an album from start to finish.  If the album is much longer than an hour, I find I can't squeeze all the tracks in, which is most unsatisfactory.  So, yes I think some albums are too long.  For me 60 minutes is the perfect length.  78 minutes is frustratingly overlong.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 16:51
Nearly all country albums are too long, no matter what the length. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 21:06
Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

The answer to the question is Yes, an album can be too long, especially when while playing it you get the feeling that it's getting boring, while you like the music generally...TFK is notorious for this (for me). 
 
Strange enough I agree with you on this one. Strange because I'm a huge TFK fan. But yes they have several dispensable songs on all of their releases. But I do wonder what you would think of the example I mentioned. I'd say check out Martigan and I'm curious what you would say about the length then !


Martigan's album Vision isn't a minute too long, I love it from beginning to end. It's the best neo album in years...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2009 at 01:31
Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

Originally posted by Soul Dreamer Soul Dreamer wrote:

The answer to the question is Yes, an album can be too long, especially when while playing it you get the feeling that it's getting boring, while you like the music generally...TFK is notorious for this (for me). 
 
Strange enough I agree with you on this one. Strange because I'm a huge TFK fan. But yes they have several dispensable songs on all of their releases. But I do wonder what you would think of the example I mentioned. I'd say check out Martigan and I'm curious what you would say about the length then !


Martigan's album Vision isn't a minute too long, I love it from beginning to end. It's the best neo album in years...
 
Thanks for your honest answer. But I'm afraid I'm a lone minority on this subject. OuchLOL
Doesn't matter, it's still my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2009 at 01:32
Originally posted by Blowin Free Blowin Free wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnium_(album%29
 
Ok then. Is this album too long ?? LOL
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