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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:16
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

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^ How about this?

A statement by economist Paul Krugman

[T]here is a long-run financing problem. But it's a problem of modest size. The [CBO] report finds that extending the life of the trust fund into the 22nd century, with no change in benefits, would require additional revenues equal to only 0.54 percent of G.D.P. That's less than 3 percent of federal spending — less than we're currently spending in Iraq. And it's only about one-quarter of the revenue lost each year because of President Bush's tax cuts — roughly equal to the fraction of those cuts that goes to people with incomes over $500,000 a year. Given these numbers, it's not at all hard to come up with fiscal packages that would secure the retirement program, with no major changes, for generations to come.




0.54% of GDP is about 74b - I'm actually surprised that would make that much of a difference.

Also, as far as taking it into the 22nd century (taken from SSA Trustees Report):

"The projected cost outlook for Social Security and Medicare is somewhat worse than described in last year’s report. In 2008, the combined cost of the Social Security and Medicare programs represented about 7.6 percent of GDP. Social Security outgo amounted to 4.4 percent of GDP in 2008 and is projected to increase to 5.9 percent of GDP in 2083. Medicare’s cost was smaller in 2008—3.2 percent of GDP—but is projected to surpass the cost of Social Security in 2028, growing to 11.4 percent of GDP in 2083, when it would be 94 percent larger than Social Security’s cost. In 2083, the combined cost of the programs would represent 17.2 percent of GDP. As a point of comparison, in 2008 total Federal receipts amounted to 17.3 percent of GDP. "

It would seem to me that a modest tax increase would as I surmise alleviate the problem in the short term (even several decades), but not change the overall crisis scenario highlighted above.  But I guess we'll all be dead in 2083, so whatever.  Wink



Fair enough. However, he also commented that was less than we are spending in Iraq.
So, wouldn't the modest tax increase, coupled with a scale back in defense spending be enough to sustain it? if not forever, at least for a very long time. Ideally a solution could be reached in over 100 years....
OR North Korea and Iran will team up and fix the problem for us!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:27
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

^ How about this?

A statement by economist Paul Krugman

[T]here is a long-run financing problem. But it's a problem of modest size. The [CBO] report finds that extending the life of the trust fund into the 22nd century, with no change in benefits, would require additional revenues equal to only 0.54 percent of G.D.P. That's less than 3 percent of federal spending — less than we're currently spending in Iraq. And it's only about one-quarter of the revenue lost each year because of President Bush's tax cuts — roughly equal to the fraction of those cuts that goes to people with incomes over $500,000 a year. Given these numbers, it's not at all hard to come up with fiscal packages that would secure the retirement program, with no major changes, for generations to come.




0.54% of GDP is about 74b - I'm actually surprised that would make that much of a difference.

Also, as far as taking it into the 22nd century (taken from SSA Trustees Report):

"The projected cost outlook for Social Security and Medicare is somewhat worse than described in last year’s report. In 2008, the combined cost of the Social Security and Medicare programs represented about 7.6 percent of GDP. Social Security outgo amounted to 4.4 percent of GDP in 2008 and is projected to increase to 5.9 percent of GDP in 2083. Medicare’s cost was smaller in 2008—3.2 percent of GDP—but is projected to surpass the cost of Social Security in 2028, growing to 11.4 percent of GDP in 2083, when it would be 94 percent larger than Social Security’s cost. In 2083, the combined cost of the programs would represent 17.2 percent of GDP. As a point of comparison, in 2008 total Federal receipts amounted to 17.3 percent of GDP. "

It would seem to me that a modest tax increase would as I surmise alleviate the problem in the short term (even several decades), but not change the overall crisis scenario highlighted above.  But I guess we'll all be dead in 2083, so whatever.  Wink



Fair enough. However, he also commented that was less than we are spending in Iraq.
So, wouldn't the modest tax increase, coupled with a scale back in defense spending be enough to sustain it?


My point is, no, I don't think so.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:52
Well as you said, if I even make it to 2083 I'll be 95, or North Korea will nuke us, or the asteroid/Quetzalcoatl will come in 2012 and kill us.
So it's all good!

OH and here's a fun tid bit. I guess Ed Rendell is thinking about reducing funding to state schools, Penn State included....thus our tuition will go up even more.
I know Corzine did the same here in NJ, but I figured "at least I'm going to school in PA" Guess I can't escape after all.

I am all for reducing the deficit, obviously this is good...but is this REALLY the time to do it?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:56
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Well as you said, if I even make it to 2083 I'll be 95, or North Korea will nuke us, or the asteroid/Quetzalcoatl will come in 2012 and kill us.
So it's all good!

OH and here's a fun tid bit. I guess Ed Rendell is thinking about reducing funding to state schools, Penn State included....thus our tuition will go up even more.
I know Corzine did the same here in NJ, but I figured "at least I'm going to school in PA" Guess I can't escape after all.

I am all for reducing the deficit, obviously this is good...but is this REALLY the time to do it?



States don't have much of a choice, they can't float enormous amounts of debt like the Federal Government can.  Bad things happen - look at California.

I think we have something like a $2b shortfall - there has been talk of raising our income tax rate.  Which I hope doesn't happen.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 15:05
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Well as you said, if I even make it to 2083 I'll be 95, or North Korea will nuke us, or the asteroid/Quetzalcoatl will come in 2012 and kill us.
So it's all good!

OH and here's a fun tid bit. I guess Ed Rendell is thinking about reducing funding to state schools, Penn State included....thus our tuition will go up even more.
I know Corzine did the same here in NJ, but I figured "at least I'm going to school in PA" Guess I can't escape after all.

I am all for reducing the deficit, obviously this is good...but is this REALLY the time to do it?



States don't have much of a choice, they can't float enormous amounts of debt like the Federal Government can.  Bad things happen - look at California.

I think we have something like a $2b shortfall - there has been talk of raising our income tax rate.  Which I hope doesn't happen.


Probably. I do not know Rendell as well... but I know NJ has a debt of over $3 Billion. Corzine raised income taxes, as well as sales tax, property tax and is now cutting spending, including to schools.

If it was left there....well I'd be pissed but I understand. However, he is talking about his own healthcare type thing and funding stem cell research. This is NOT the time for those things.....esp given NJ's terrible economic state.

From what I do know, and correct me if I'm wrong. Rendell appears to be a tpyical progressive democrat so I wouldn't be surprised if he raises income tax.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 15:09
Rendell is a liberal Democrat but also a pragmatist - the state legislature is majority Republican so they have to come to an agreement to get things done.  I doubt the legislature would endorse an income tax rise.  They've been primarily arguing about where to make cuts so far.

By the way, you're off by an order of magnitude.  New Jersey's total debt is on the order of $30 billion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 15:17
That is true.
Although I believe the PA House is barely democratic.
You do have quite a divided state.

Hopefully a compromise will be reached. There was a gvmt shutdown in NJ a few years back with no compromise in the end. There was still the tax hike. And that was with A Democratic Governor AND state legislature.
I guess the point is...this hassle is bad in the short run but better in the long run. IF the deficits can be brought down. If not...well then it's just a clusterf*ck


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 19:03
I was beginning to think that Healthcare reform might not happen at all.
I know Obama is really pushing, and the Dems control congress but it seems to be stalled with nothing getting done.

NOW, it has been proposed that part of the Healthcare Bill will be funding for abortions to be done at hospitals.
I am pro-choice. Unwavering, and 100% sure. But this is wrong.
Since tax payer money will pay for this, and not everyone is pro-choice it is wrong for their money to support that. I thought the point of pro-choice was CHOICE. You just can't have tax payer money going to abortion, it is forcing it on people who may not believe in it.
I thought there was a law saying federal funding can not go to support abortion.
IF this goes in....then I think it'll be the deal killer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2009 at 19:14

America has long faced stiff competition in the sciences, from Japan, Europe, Russia, and now China and India. But if Kansas Senator Sam Brownback’s Human-Animal Hybrid Prohibition Act of 2009 passes, expect our lead in science to vanish:

It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly, in or otherwise affecting interstate commerce:

  1. create or attempt to create a human-animal hybrid;
  2. transfer or attempt to transfer a human embryo into a non-human womb;
  3. transfer or attempt to transfer a non-human embryo into a human womb; or
  4. transport or receive for any purpose a human-animal hybrid.

Under Brownback’s bill, the simple creation of new forms of life, even for the noblest of purposes, would be punishable be up to ten years in prison and a fine of one million dollars.  The overall effect on research into forbidden knowledge would be catastrophic.

http://www.popehat.com/2009/07/14/congresss-war-on-mad-science/

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Unfortunately too late for goat-human hybrids:

http://thesituationist.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/bork.jpg

Calling Dr. Moreau...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:19
So, Obama says the health care plan is almost ready.

He was happy about the bi partisan ship, going by the fact the bill had 160 Republican amendments.
I would like to know what those are.....and see if it really bi-partisan or sweetened?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:22
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I used to think of ear marks as a necessary evil, but honestly they should be done away with.

And while we're at it, politicians should have to wear logo patches on their suits for the companies that are financing them like race car drivers. LOL


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America has long faced stiff competition in the sciences, from Japan, Europe, Russia, and now China and India. But if Kansas Senator Sam Brownback’s Human-Animal Hybrid Prohibition Act of 2009 passes, expect our lead in science to vanish:

It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly, in or otherwise affecting interstate commerce:

4.      transport or receive for any purpose a human-animal hybrid.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 13:11
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


I used to think of ear marks as a necessary evil, but honestly they should be done away with.

And while we're at it, politicians should have to wear logo patches on their suits for the companies that are financing them like race car drivers. LOL


Do you really think that there is enough fabric space on their suits for that? And what if they had to tie all their sponsors into their speeches.

:It's good to be here at the Target office during McDonalds week here in Washington D.C.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 13:18
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


I used to think of ear marks as a necessary evil, but honestly they should be done away with.

And while we're at it, politicians should have to wear logo patches on their suits for the companies that are financing them like race car drivers. LOL


Do you really think that there is enough fabric space on their suits for that? And what if they had to tie all their sponsors into their speeches.

:It's good to be here at the Target office during McDonalds week here in Washington D.C.


LOLLOL
But seriously, I know ear marks CAN be good...if you're good at getting them put in. I know some Representatives out there, like the ones from Alaska, and esp Jon Murtha have gotten millions and millions for their home districts.
Of course they could also be used to.....say bring in money that would end up helping a politicians interests.
And thinking about it. It is a waste. A small part of my taxes will be going to fund a bridge in California, or Texas. And considering HOW MUCH is spent in earmarks a year, it is a massive waste of tax payer money.

ShockedShocked  A hardcore liberal talking about tax waste!

OH: And time to be fair and balanced. I may bash on Reps and Cons alot....but does anyone know that Ed Guy.   He does the Ed Show on MSNBC. I F*CKING hate that guy! What an epic douche he is.
Same for Bill Maher


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^ ^ ^ Just because you're a liberal doesn't mean you favor tax waste.  Take the Iraq war, please.
Also, to go on the record, I like Bill Maher.  I've been watching him since he had the Politically Correct show on Comedy Central.  A long time.  His brief infatuation with Ann Coulter was a bit creepy though.  I haven't watched the MSNBC guy of which you speak except briefly.  Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow are my favorites.

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


I used to think of ear marks as a necessary evil, but honestly they should be done away with.

And while we're at it, politicians should have to wear logo patches on their suits for the companies that are financing them like race car drivers. LOL


Do you really think that there is enough fabric space on their suits for that? And what if they had to tie all their sponsors into their speeches.

:It's good to be here at the Target office during McDonalds week here in Washington D.C.

They should also be forced to read their bills on the floor out loud with everyone in attendance or not be allowed to vote on them.

And now for something silly:




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David Letterman's Top Ten Signs Sonia Sotomayor Is Getting Cocky

10. Addressed senators with "Whaddaya say, meat?"


6. Left early to tackle the case of Sotomayor vs. Applebee's riblets.
5. Started hitting on Clarence Thomas.

2. Only answers she gave were "Maybe" and "How the hell should I know?"
1. Took the day off to go salmon fishing with Sarah Palin.

Racism on the Loose. "Zell Miller: Rahm should use ‘Gorilla Glue’ to keep Obama in his chair."
Hey, Zell, crawl back under that rock you came out of. Angry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2009 at 11:34
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And now for something silly:





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 17 2009 at 11:58
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They should also be forced to read their bills on the floor out loud with everyone in attendance or not be allowed to vote on them.



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Racism on the Loose. "Zell Miller: Rahm should use ‘Gorilla Glue’ to keep Obama in his chair."
Hey, Zell, crawl back under that rock you came out of. Angry



Ugh....Zell Miller. The southern conservative "democrat" who went insane and went on a vindictive campaign against the democrats..
What the f*ck? I never thought I'd hear that name again
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Someone needs to glue his mouth shut with Gorilla Glue. LOL
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