Political discussion thread

Deathrabbit wrote: It's the same on the right and the left; the only thing they want to do is shove a dick up your ass for the "greater good." Like anyone actually knows what the hell that is.

The "greater good" has too many people who are morons or brain-dead for my tastes anyway.

Slartibartfast wrote:

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 07 2009 at 07:33

The United States Comedy Index has gone up over thirty points today. This is one of the largest jumps in it's history, rivalling the day George W. Bush was appointed President.

The reason for the jump is the swearing in of new Senator Al Franken. The effect was twofold. Not only did the appointment give fresh comedic fodder to comedy-depleted talk show hosts and fake newscasters such as Stewart and Colbert, but the move also removes Franken officially from his role as political comedian. Experts have been speculating for years that the sheer weight of Franken's so-called comedy has been an albatross on the neck of the comedy index. And as most in the business know, the albatross has not been funny since the breakup of Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Another purported effect on the Index is the possible resurrection of the comedy of clowns such as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity, who's buffoonery has been rapidly spiraling into irrelevance since the start of the Obama Administration.

Comedy speculators have announced that if you are planning on investing in the comedic future of the United State, the market has never been as good as it is now.

-The Evolver Report - July 7 2009

Edited by Evolver - July 07 2009 at 13:05

Oh god.....who had the nerve to mention Michael Savage!? 

He might be the only person I think is worse then Limbaugh.
I can't believe I'm saying that, but it's true.

He has said:
"You know what autism is? I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, "Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot."

Homosexuality and Feminism are "destroying America"

He promoted a book called "The Pink Swastika" an anti-gay book claiming most of the NAZI's were gay, (and of course implying that gays are nazi's) to the dumb masses.

"The white Christian heterosexual married male is the epitome of everything right with America"

In response to some females students helping a homeless shelter. "can go in and get raped by them because they seem to like the excitement of it..."

He himself has said his philosophy revolves around 3 word: Border, Language , and Culture.
The guy is a f*cking fascist.

He founded the Paul Revere society, a group to protest immigration, called for a BAN on all Muslim immigration, and said Muslim need to be deported.

So, from everything I gather he hates the left, feminism, homosexuality, Muslims, Islam, immigration and wants to keep everyone out, and preserve our "culture" (whatever that means) and keep the rights of the poor beaten down white male.

F*CKING FASCIST

One funny thing about him is he's been banned from entering the United Kingdom for fostering extremism and hatred, (another banee was Fred Phelps)







Edited by JJLehto - July 07 2009 at 13:52

Still enjoying political cartoons? And now something completely different. Ready for another stimulus curtesy of the chief community organizer?

Slartibartfast wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: Michael Savage is a reprehensible person, but I don't think he should be banned from the UK. Indeed, but primarily because that means he'll probably spend more time in the US.

NOOO! If only we can expel him from the US!

And yea I agree Henry, as disgusting as he is...can't say he's done anything to warrant banishment from entering a country. But hey, that's the UK's deal  I just think it's hilarious

And IVNORD what do you mean Republicans are willing to jump on board with THIS NEW stimulus?
Wasn't it Bush who had the "bailout" which was supported by many Republicans.
Besides this is nothing new really. Maybe the numbers and scope it are new, but Bush bailed out some airlines a few years ago.
In fact they've been bailing out airlines for some time now.

But that's a tangent. Anyway, I have to be honest.....the deficit is the type of thing that is good to fight over and attack people with, but is it really a big deal? I mean it's nice to talk about reducing the deficit but we all know it won't happen. That thing is huge, and thanks to Reagan, GWB, AND Obama it's beyond imagination.

Maybe there's some economic reason impact, but as far as I know there isn't  so who cares really about the deficit. Its just a way to say "their good/bad with budget". It'll never be paid back, so why does it matter if we keep adding on? Im being realistic here, I dont want some political answer. Why does the deficit matter?


Edited by JJLehto - July 07 2009 at 17:26

Old news... but I do love hypocrites... and the GOP gives us SO DAMN many of them. 

enjoy...  hopefully she was worth your career idiot...

From: Mark Sanford

To: Maria

Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 03:09:44 +0000

Dearest,

You are glorious and I hope you really understand that. You do not need a therapist to help you figure your place in the world. You are special and unique and fabulous in a whole host of ways that are worth a much longer conversation. To be continued ...

Have been having a few email problems as I am getting email through an aircard at the farm, where access to computer world is more than tough. Please let me know if you have gotten my last two eamils (sic) so I know it is working in getting to your part of the world ...

Another glorious day outside. Hope you are doing well, and am anxious to hear about your week. Know that I miss you. Unbeleivably (sic) hard to imagine it has been a week. Please also send your mailing address as I want to send you an insignificant something next week when I am back in civilization that I think you might find interesting given our conversation.

Want to write an indepth note with some thoughts on our visit when I know you are getting these emails. Hugs and much love. M

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From: Maria

Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:26 PM

To: Mark Sanford

Subject: RE:

My beloved, (hope you also change the dearest ...)

I’am (sic) reading your last two mails sitting outside with a great seaview here in Ilhabela, a beautiful island near Sao Paulo. Have been thinking of you while watching the beautiful blue sea (a) great part of my day and remembering with a great smile on my face, the time we had spent together. As I told you before, you brought happiness and love to my life and (I) will take you forever in my heart. I wasn’t aware till we met last week, the strong feelings I had for you, and believe me, I haven’t felt this since I was in my teen ages, when afterwards I got married. I do love you, I can feel it in my heart, and although I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to meet again this has been the best that has happened to me in a long time You made me realized (sic) how you feel when you realy (sic) love somebody and how much you want to be beside the beloved. Last Friday I would had stayed embrassing (sic) and kissing you forever.

Don’t know why you think you bore me with the description of your farm. I am an urban girl but that doesn’t inhibit me from loving other things, specially if they are the ones you love. I was able to imagine the place with every single detail you wrote and had trassmitted (sic) me the love you have for your farm. It sounds to be a great and peaceful place and loved you had shared it with me.

Thanks for your beautiful words, I don’t know if I do need or not therapy but I have to find my new place in this new stage of my life. Life has been very generous with me and I want to return at least a little bit of what I have been given. I have time and think helping others who haven’t been as lucky as me will do me fine.

My address is (deleted by The State). It will be great finding at home once I am back, whatever you send me, I’ll keep it near my bed so as to feel you nearer.

Miss you so much... love you from the deepest of my heart. Sweet kisses.

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Subject: RE:

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:42:46 -0400

Beloved back to you...

Got back an hour ago to civilization and am now in Columbia after what was for me a glorious break from reality down at the farm. No phones ringing and tangible evidence of a day’s labors. Though I have started every day by 6 this morning woke at 4:30, I guess since my body knew it was the last day, and I went out and ran the excavator with lights until the sun came up. To me, and I suspect no one else on earth, there is something wonderful about listening to country music playing in the cab, air conditioner running, the hum of a huge diesel engine in the background, the tranquility that comes with being in a virtual wilderness of trees and marsh, the day breaking and vibrant pink coming alive in the morning clouds — and getting to build something with each scoop of dirt. It is admittedly weird but one of my more favorite ways of escaping the norms, constant phone calls and formalities that go with the office — and it probably fits with my weakness in doing rather than being — though you opened up a new chapter last week wherein I was happy and content just being. Last point worth further discussion. Afternoon projects had me outside and by days (sic) end I pretty much looked like a homeless person ... but in this case a very content one. Enough about my love of heavy equipment and woods at sunrise ...

While I was getting exhausted with one project after another at Coosaw work week, you were basking (I’m certain gloriously) on the beach..

Sounds great, hope to hear more about what sounds a great spot.

Will now finally get some sleep and write you a longer note with a few more profound thoughts tomorrow or Wednesday. In the meantime I send my love and hope you know I am thinking of you.. M

P.S. I do not want to raise expectations, when I say I will send something insignificant I promise I will do as I say! It wont (sic) be worthy of bedside placement ... was just going to find the movie the Holiday as we had spoken of it last Thursday. Its music was pleasant and made me think of you — its mood and the notion of a holiday (wrapped up in our case over two days) certainly fit as well ... (though our visit in some ways for me was as well less of a holiday than it was uncovering and realization of some things and feelings that again are worth longer conversation)

Had also hoped to find the cd of a song that played as I was flying home and also20made (sic) me think of you. Who knows if I can find the music ... so all you may be stuck with is a long released movie — and if you put it by your bed I really be worried! Love you, good night and kisses back to you ...

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From: Maria

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:14 PM

To: Mark Sanford

Subject: RE:

My love,

I decided to rent a car and went by myself to the other side of the Island where it is located one of the best hotels. It’s name is DPNY Hotel and I find it quite interesting. I had lunch there in a restaurant on the beach with great seaview. I sat under a palm and ate a mixed green salad with grilled abacaxi (pineapple) and honey. in the afternoon I sunbathe and read on the beach. I ve started here “The age of turbulence” from Alan Greenspan which I highly recomend (sic) you. At five I left back to the small town had a coffee with pao de queijo (cheese bread which is something tipycal (sic) from Brazl (sic) and it’s delicious) read some magazines, walked around and finally back to meu Pousada that is hotel.

In the Island is taking place the sailing week and Rolex competition and this was the reason for choosing the place and also why luckily I am most of the time by my own. It may sound bad but it’s how I feel it. As I told you I shouldn’t have done this trip but I would have felt worst if I wouldn’t have come because it was too over the date, he is a very nice guy, great heart ... but unfortunately I am not in love with him ... You are my love ... something hard to believe even for myself as it’s also a kind of impossible love, not only because of distance but situation.

Sometimes you don’t choose things, they just happen ... I can’t redirect my feelings and I am very happy with mine towards you. Hope you have had a good day, guess with much work.

Send you all my love and goodnight kisses. Sweet dreams from down south. I’ll dream with you.

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From: Mark Sanford

To: Maria

Subject: RE:

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:24:54 -0400

Sweetest,

It was indeed a long day. I am most jealous of your salad under the palm tree.

Three thoughts in one note now that I have a moment. One the travel schedule is about to get real busy (and this distresses me for the way it may well make it more difficult to get your notes over the next few weeks), two unfortunately all the feelings you describe are mutual, and three where do we go from here?

One, tomorrow leave at 5 am for New York and meetings. Will think about you on its streets and wish I was going to be there later in the month when you are there. Tomorrow night back to Philadelphia for the start of the National Governor’s Conference through the weekend. Back to Columbia for Tuesday and then on Wednesday, as I think I had told you, taking the family to China, Tibet, Nepal, India, Thailand and then back through Hong Kong on world wind tour. Few days home then to Bahamas for 5 days on a friends boat for the last break of the summer. The following weekend have been asked to spend it out in Aspen, Colorado with McCain — which has kicked up the whole VP talk all over again in the press back home.

Two, mutual feelings. I have been specializing in staying focused on decisions and actions of the head for a long time now — and you have my heart. You have oh so many attributes that pulls it in this direction. Do you really comprehend how beautiful your smile is? Have you been told lately how warm your eyes are and how they softly glow with the special nature of your soul. I remember Jenny, or someone close to me, once commenting that while my mom was pleasant and warm it was sad she had never accomplished anything of significance. I replied that they were wrong because she had the ultimate of all gifts — and that was the ability to love unconditionally. The rarest of all commodities in this world is love. It is that thing that we all yearn for at some level — to be simply loved unconditionally for nothing more than who we are — not what we can get, give or become. There are but 50 governors in my country and outside of the top spot, this is as high as you can go in the area I have invested the last 15 years of my life — my getting here came as no small measure because I had that foundation of love and support so critical to getting up in the morning and feeling you could give and risk because you already had a full tank of love in the emotional bank account. Since our first meeting there in a wind swept somewhat open air dance spot in Punta del Este, I felt that you had that same rare attribute. Above all else I love that inner beauty about you. That gift of yours is going to make a tremendous difference in (The State deleted sons’ names) life — and in anyone’s life who is blest to be touched by yours — you need to rest very comfortably in that fact. As I mentioned in our last visit, while I did not need love fifteen years ago — as the battle scars of life and aging and politics have worn on this has become a real need of mine. You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that is so fitting with your beauty. I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificently gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curves of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of night’s light — but hey, that would be going into the sexual details we spoke of at the steakhouse at dinner — and unlike you I would never do that!

Three and finally, while all the things above are all too true — at the same time we are in a hopelessly — or as you put it impossible — or how about combine and simply say hopelessly impossible situation of love. How in the world this lightening [sic] strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure. As I have said to you before I certainly had a special feeling about you from the first time we met, but these feelings were contained and I genuinely enjoyed our special friendship and the comparing of all too many personal notes (and yes this is true even if you did occasionally tantalize me with sexual details over the years!) — but it was all safe. Where we are is not. I have thought about it and in some ways feel I let you down in letting these complications come into a friendship that I hope will last till death. In all my life I have lived by a code of honor and at a variety of levels know I have crossed lines I would have never imagined. I wish I could wish it away, but this soul-mate feel I alluded too is real and in that regard I sure don’t want to be the person complicating your life. I looked to where I often look for advice and counsel, and in I Corinthians 13 it simply says that, “ Love is patient and kind, love is not jealous or boastful, it is not arrogant or rude, Love does not insist on its own way, it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice in the wrong, but rejoices in the right, Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things and endures all things”. In this regard it is action that goes well beyond the emotion of today or tomorrow and in this light I want to look for ways to show love in helping you to live a better — not more complicated life. I want to help (one of Maria’s sons) with film guys that might help his career, etc. I also don’t want you walking20away (sic) from some guy (I take it the younger guy you mentioned a t dinner) because of me — and what we both have to see as an impossible situation. I better stop now least this really sound like the Thornbirds — wherein I was always upset with Richard Chamberlain for not dropping his ambitions and running into Maggie’s arms. The bottom line is two fold, my heart wants me to get on a plane tonight and to be in your loving arms — my head is saying how do we put the Genie back in the bottle because I sure don’t want to be encumbering you, or your options or your life. Put differently, given I love you, I don’t want to be part of the reason you are having less than an ideal week in what sounds like a cool spot.

Lastly I also suspect I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before — so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know ... In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul. I love you ... sleep tight. M

PS. I will make it a point in NY tomorrow to drop by a store and get that movie I promised to send your way ... I am encouraged to know you will not keep it beside the bed least we have tangible evidence of two pathetic figures missing each other far too much to live a few thousand miles apart!

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From: Maria

To: Mark Sanford

Subject: RE:

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:22:29 +0000

You have not brought complication or are not bringing complication to my life, on the contrary you’ve fullfiled (sic) me with happiness and made me aware how you can feel when you love somebody. I can think with my head but only feel with my heart so I can’t avoid it even knowing is hopelessly impossible. The guy is the one I told you ,just three years younger than me, but I am not in love and won’t fall in love with time so I have to continue my way ... be alone for some time and if I am lucky enough will someday feel towards somebody, what I today feel for you. At least you made me realized it can happen.

I don’t know if I did understood (sic) well about what was unsafe or not safe. Before our mails use to have other contents ... if you want to go back to that and don’t write love things and so on because is not safe for you it’s ok with me, i (sic) love you and by no way would do something that can harm you, so please let me know.

I don’t know how we figure all this out and I am not interested in knowing. I prefer to think we’ll see each other again somewhere sometime in this life and in next. Will be missing you till then... . .

Have a great trip with the ones you love ... they are the kind of trips you will never forget and for your boys will be unworthable (sic) not only because of the places they will visit but for sharing all that time with you.

Send you millions of kisses that will last till we get in touch again. best wishes from the deepest of my heart.

P.S.: I don’t want to put the genius (sic) back in the bottle because I truly believe in freedom. I never gave you sexual details but now you don’t need to imagine you can close your eyes and just remember. I’ll do the same.

JJLehto wrote:    Maybe there's some economic reason impact, but as far as I know there isn't  so who cares really about the deficit. Its just a way to say "their good/bad with budget". It'll never be paid back, so why does it matter if we keep adding on? Im being realistic here, I dont want some political answer. Why does the deficit matter?

Are you serious??

You're pulling my leg, aren't yoiu? Is everythoing I talk about just some kind of a superficial chat in your view???

IVNORD wrote: JJLehto wrote:    Maybe there's some economic reason impact, but as far as I know there isn't  so who cares really about the deficit. Its just a way to say "their good/bad with budget". It'll never be paid back, so why does it matter if we keep adding on? Im being realistic here, I dont want some political answer. Why does the deficit matter? Are you serious?? You're pulling my leg, aren't yoiu? Is everythoing I talk about just some kind of a superficial chat in your view???

So yea those giant letters are totally necessary. I can sound really angry/try to slam you by doing that as well...but I think normal font will suffice.
And no, I don't think that. I was asking.

Now answer me.

Why does the deficit REALLY matter? And I do not want a political answer. Give me a realistic reason why it matters. You know full well it well never, ever be close to getting paid off. And although its something one can admit, if we just keep adding on and adding on....what does it matter?
I don't condone that, and hope we can a lil more fiscally responsible. But if we keep adding on I dont see the problem.

Are there any economic impacts of it?

Oh, and something else. I have never personally seen you elsewhere. DO you only come here to debate politics?

Or can you not understand me typing in a font that's not size 7?


Edited by JJLehto - July 07 2009 at 20:27