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CCVP 
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 Posted: July 07 2009 at 08:53 |
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OK, now this thread is about how Dream Theater always sucked and copied themselves, even in their first album, but now they suck even more because they are moving in a different direction from what everybody thought was f*cking awful in the first place.
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hitting_singularity2
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 09:55 |
 StyLaZyn wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
The problem right now is that they're trying to be too prog and too dark at the same time, it's coming off as very bland, because who ISNT doing that right now? |
Even though they are writing with all the elements of Prog, it doesn't impress like it used to. Their music is the same old, same old.
As far as them being dark, I've said it before, they need Kevin Moore for this. None of them have that disturbed element in their personalities. When they try to write dark lyrics or music, it sounds contrived and weak.
But like was said in an above post, they have done so well on the charts not because they are Prog, but because people think they are metal. You can probably thank Guitar Hero/Rock Band for that.
They are the new Avenged Sevenfold or Dragonfarce.  |
Their charting is most probably because of their exposure due to rock band, yes. I don't think they are on GH tho. But the difference between the bands that get popular with GH [dragonforce] and the ones that get popular through RB [DT, AS]
Is that Dragonforce sucks
Interestingly, I was in HMV the other day, and they have their own charts, and BC & SL was 3rd
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SergiUriah
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:33 |
The fact is that DT is selling now more Cds than ever before. And that´s very good...for their wallets.
They will be soon the next "Prog Rolling Stones"... |
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Wintersun
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Posted: July 19 2009 at 20:00 |
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I see it that DT has brought Prog to a more mainstream level, and by that i mean this: they still write fairly proggy music, if taking a hint from the Crossover crowds. They have proven that progressive elements can still be included in music and can sell. The punk-mind set has worn off after all these years. If Portnoy would quit trying to be a poster boy, rock star, and a writer, and just be a drummer, they might, musically, take a step back and look the direction they are heading and make a u-turn. The fact that MP has a fetish for crappy music (imo, exp: Slipknot, Kiss, Spears, various punk bands, etc) and is writing music with the mindset of "being more metal and more appealing" is what is degrading DT, imo.
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topofsm
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Posted: July 20 2009 at 02:34 |
Well done DT. I'm eagerly awaiting a day when I can talk to someone who knows what a 'dream theater' is. 
In a response to some earlier posts, I think BC&SL is quite the throwback to 6 Degrees. Nightmare to Remember and Shattered Fortress are quite heavy like Glass Prison, Rite of Passage is the sort of mainstreamish metal akin to Misunderstood (even though it has a quite proggy and interesting buildup), and The Best of Times and parts of Count of Tuscany have some of the happiest moments in DT history like a lot of the music in Disc 2. The rest of Count of Tuscany is distinctly SFAM-y though.
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Lodij van der Graaf
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Posted: July 22 2009 at 12:18 |
They really are an unstoppable band! Got to get Black Clouds & Silver Linings soon, though.. 
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Grace is a name,
like Chastity,
like Lucifer,
like mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mirco
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:17 |
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I agree with the opinion than BC&SL is not a masterpiece, but frankly, after reading many 1 stars reviews of the album, i think there's a lot of hating towards the band. It's not a 5 stars, but neither a 1. Also surprise me the fact that some people spend 500, 800 o more words only to say how bad is the album and why one have to hate it.
Edited by mirco - August 05 2009 at 12:58
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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darkshade
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 01:06 |
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after giving it over a month to sink in, i still think it's one of their best albums theyve made yet!
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rockout475
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 18:55 |
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Down with DT....Hail Tool!
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topofsm
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 20:45 |
^ That contributed to the discussion very well.
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The T
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 22:17 |
topofsm wrote:
^ That contributed to the discussion very well. |
No, it did. It helped us realize that this Rockout475 guy shouldn't be talked to unless he... starts to think.
Edited by The T - August 06 2009 at 22:18
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 04:02 |
rockout475 wrote:
Down with DT....Hail Tool! |
Treading into deep, mucky waters now are we?
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infandous
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 08:22 |
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Well, I say, good for DT. It's about time!
I'm going to have to get this album soon.
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CCVP
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 16:53 |
The T wrote:
topofsm wrote:
^ That contributed to the discussion very well. |
No, it did. It helped us realize that this Rockout475 guy shouldn't be talked to unless he... starts to think. |
That was the joke. . . . .
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g0rd0nb0mbay
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 17:02 |
Conor Fynes wrote:
rockout475 wrote:
Down with DT....Hail Tool! |
Treading into deep, mucky waters now are we? |
some might say he's eyehole deep in muddy waters ;)
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Dellinger
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 22:30 |
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I must say, that even if other Dream Theater albums have better songs than the ones on BC & SL, this is the album that I enjoy the most as a whole. There's not one single song that I really dislike, and LaBrie isn't singing in such an annoying way as he used to sing in other albums.
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camilleanne
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 23:52 |
Epignosis wrote:
Dream Theater is moving up in the world!
Next, they'll be opening up for Hannah Montana!
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Oh no, I think Mike will not allow that..  Congratulations Dream Theater!! 
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The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
-George Carlin-
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mirco
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Posted: August 18 2009 at 15:15 |
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The album has a solid 3.7 rating on the archives. Fair enough, maybe should be closer to 4, but all those 1 star givers do their job in order to demerit it. Thank God there are a lot of 5 stars givers to balance the equation.
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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Kashmir75
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:50 |
Bout time, I say. After more than 20 years of slogging it, its about time they got into the charts.
That said, I hope this new fame doesn't go to Mike's head. I don't want DT to start writing three minute long power ballads.
I do suspect their new audience are mostly metalheads, not progheads. The CD booklet photo of the band in BC&SL looks very 'metal'. I do like metal myself, but am a big fan of straight prog as well. I don't think DT should pander too much towards the metal crowd.
It seems to me that DT are more embraced by the prog crowd than the metal community. Mags like Kerrang, Revolver, Hit Parader, Metal Hammer, etc, continue to run stories on the latest 'emo' bands, and DT barely gets a look in. Hammer did a feature on them promoting BC&SL, but admitted it was their first ever promotional feature for a DT release.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Kashmir75
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Posted: August 19 2009 at 20:58 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
CCVP wrote:
Concerning DT, I don't think BC&SL resemble any other album, but frankly, which DT album ever does, except Systematic Chaos? I think one of their biggest qualities is that every album is different. The only resemblance I can think of is that Wither resemble a part of Ministry of Lost Souls and that's it.
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Did I just read that? BC&SL doesn't resemble another DT album? OK, maybe not collectively, but each song sounds like one, or parts of one, from a previous album. DT has become the most uncreative band in ProgRock. To reiterate, for a set of musicians of their caliber, it is a slap in the face to Prog fans. They are the perpetual regurgitators of self and influence. |
DT albums always sound different to each other. Apart from 'The Shattered Fortress', which reprises parts from every previous song in the 12 step suite, I can't say BC&SL really regurgitates any other album they've previously done.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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