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The T 
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 Posted: June 21 2009 at 18:04 |
 Ricochet wrote:
James wrote:
I know. I also found it quite amusing that two Christians were disagreeing with each other.
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Don't understand your point. It's just debate. Besides, you can't expect every Christian to believe or see things exactly the same way.
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The same with non-believers. Som think they know it all, some like me think we don't know anything, others think they know but act as if they don't and others know that they know much less than they actually have to pretend they know. In the end, we differ in degrees of not-knowing. From those like me who can't be sure about anything because we have no proof to thosew who are sure that god doesn't exist precisely because they have no proof.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 21 2009 at 19:17 |
That makes you agnostic then, Téo. That's not the same thing. 
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The T
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Posted: June 21 2009 at 19:56 |
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I don't think he exists. I think there's no god. But I can't be sure, nor can I say i am sure.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 21 2009 at 20:05 |
James wrote:
I know. I also found it quite amusing that two Christians were disagreeing with each other.
Most of us atheists seem to agree with each other. Of course, agnostics do somewhat disagree with us though.
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It's not uncommon for Christians to disagree, there are ,ore than 30.000 Protestant denominations.
Something that hardly happens among Catholics (still there are some traditionalist Catholic grioups that don''t agre with Vatican II) because Catholics are quite different than the restt of Christians, we believe Jesus gave the Pope ifallibility in faith issues when talking "Ex Cathedra" plus the supreme authority
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Matthew 16:18-19,“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
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So we hardly disagree among us, because in faith issues, the Pope has the last word.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 21 2009 at 20:09
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 05:45 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The T
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 11:13 |
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 11:20 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
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...when you put it that way
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el dingo
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Posted: June 25 2009 at 07:26 |
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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progkidjoel
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camilleanne
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Posted: July 06 2009 at 04:31 |
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I was raised a roman catholic but when i realized that "The Almighty God" doesn't really exist I've been unleashed from that delusion.
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The planet is fine the people are f**ked.
-George Carlin-
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markosherrera
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 00:28 |
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If God has all the powers why thereligious people when have speciphic problems call the police ,bombers ,doctor etc?
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Hi progmaniacs of all the world
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 06:50 |
Captain Capricorn wrote:
...when you put it that way |
Now I'm a believer.  Or maybe I'm just a stoopid Monkee. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 07 2009 at 06:52
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 07 2009 at 19:44 |
Just an interesting thing I'd like to note: My close friend, who has always been VERY religious, (in fact he managed to talk 3 people into believing in Church and Jesus) and could be a little over the top with it sometimes....well, we recently were talking and he's had a "falling out" with religion. He went on a long speech saying all the things I've been telling him for years  and couldn't help but laugh inside my head at the fact that him of all people, one who tried to convert people and "do jesus' work" now no longer believes in Church.
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Zargus
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 17:27 |
Who needs God, when you got Peter Hammill thats the only God i need. 
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 22:56 |
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I don't understand the animosity people seem to have towards people who are religious.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 22:58 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
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SO. OLD.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: September 15 2009 at 23:20 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I don't understand the animosity people seem to have towards people who are religious. |
Speaking for myself, I have nothing against people who are religious, and who act in a considerate manner. One of my best friends is quite strongly Christian, but he knows that he can't preach to me, or for that fact, most other people.
The problem I have with religion (and non-religious too) are the people who are too dogmatic. If you are not willing to accept that people will beleive what they want, how they want - whether it be an accepted beleif or crazy talk. Then you need a reality check.
Personal choice is what makes us human. Some beleive, others do not. Let us not fight over who is right (for that itself at this point in time is futile), but talk. Because communication is the key to acceptance and normalisation.
Wow, that was way too philosophical for me. 
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 04:24 |
interviewer; so you want to join the Priesthood?
applicant: oooh yes!
interviewer: ok great! ...do you believe in God?
applicant: oh no, not at all i'm afraid..
interviewer: hmmm....that could be a problem...
applicant: but what about equal opportunities for job seekers?
interviewer: yes..ok, when would you like to start?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 05:27 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 16 2009 at 09:41 |
Things here in Penn State are still the same ol... The EXACT same group of Atheists sit outside the exact same building all day long, (really all my classes are there today and they never leave...do they have any lives/classes?) and they "debate" the preacher. I've actually become fairly good friends with him, he's a nice guy. A few weeks ago was epic though. Some group is doing a nation wide college tour, seriously and the 3 days they were here, were amazing! There was like 100 - 200 people gathered around them and the atheist club was up to their usual antics. I have to be honest, I don't know who is more off putting.....these preachers spewing insanity, (and one is downright hateful) or these atheist losers. I want to hit both very hard.
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