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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:12
im for his inclusion. My Spanish Heart, The Mad Hatter, and the last 2 Elektric Band albums (Paint the World (IMO one of the best Jazz-fusion albums ever made!), and To The Stars) are sufficient enough material for him to be in JRF. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:32
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

im for his inclusion. My Spanish Heart, The Mad Hatter, and the last 2 Elektric Band albums (Paint the World (IMO one of the best Jazz-fusion albums ever made!), and To The Stars) are sufficient enough material for him to be in JRF. 


Elektric Band is already here, so we wouldn't be adding/counting them twice.

While people can be happy with four-five albums for an inclusion, I wouldn't feel so comfortable (it's just my way of perspective: the "one album and your in" policy is something I disagree with and always will). I've already said it, it's four-five albums out of an prolific discography, and they're not all fully representative.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:50
I'm very comfortable with it.  Although I have been somewhat uncomfortable with the complete discography policy, and would quite like a prog albums category for bands/ artists who have not made their careers out of Prog to highlight suitable albums, at least, it is good if the albums that should most interest proggers are highlighted in the biography.   A good, well-researched bio should get into that.  Of course sometimes bands are being evaluated on very limited material, and there isn't a wealth of info to make that call.  Add to that that what is Prog, or would interest Proggers, can be in the ear of the beaherer.  Of course that's a problem with not including complete discographies (endless bickering about what should be included/ what has sufficient merits). Then, hopefully, the reviews also will highlight the perceived prog-quotient of albums.

And I'd rather we judge placement based on those albums that are deemed particularly relevant to a Prog site.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 15:52
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

im for his inclusion. My Spanish Heart, The Mad Hatter, and the last 2 Elektric Band albums (Paint the World (IMO one of the best Jazz-fusion albums ever made!), and To The Stars) are sufficient enough material for him to be in JRF. 


Elektric Band is already here, so we wouldn't be adding/counting them twice.

While people can be happy with four-five albums for an inclusion, I wouldn't feel so comfortable (it's just my way of perspective: the "one album and your in" policy is something I disagree with and always will). I've already said it, it's four-five albums out of an prolific discography, and they're not all fully representative.


i didnt know that Embarrassed

i think if we did have a "prog-albums-only" policy, it would have to be a rounded out system, meaning, 2-3 albums leading to X band's "prog-era" and 2-3 albums after their "prog-era"

i say this because there may be some prog gems on either albums before or after their "prog-era" and this would allow people to choose which ones to get rather than getting an album that came out 20 years after X band's "prog-era" with no signs of prog rock.

but thats if we had that system. just felt like throwing that out there
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 17:54
Did not see that, I only have Light Years by the Elekric Band, which is rather sappy.  Again I'll point to My Spanish Heart and the solo album called Return To Forever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 03 2009 at 19:23
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 02:56
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Did not see that, I only have Light Years by the Elekric Band, which is rather sappy.  Again I'll point to My Spanish Heart and the solo album called Return To Forever.


That album's highlighted in RTF here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 04 2009 at 03:06
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'm very comfortable with it.  Although I have been somewhat uncomfortable with the complete discography policy, and would quite like a prog albums category for bands/ artists who have not made their careers out of Prog to highlight suitable albums, at least, it is good if the albums that should most interest proggers are highlighted in the biography.   A good, well-researched bio should get into that.  Of course sometimes bands are being evaluated on very limited material, and there isn't a wealth of info to make that call.  Add to that that what is Prog, or would interest Proggers, can be in the ear of the beaherer.  Of course that's a problem with not including complete discographies (endless bickering about what should be included/ what has sufficient merits). Then, hopefully, the reviews also will highlight the perceived prog-quotient of albums.

And I'd rather we judge placement based on those albums that are deemed particularly relevant to a Prog site.


Strictly Corea-related, all I fear is for PA to express something a lot different than most sites, who see him more as a jazz artist. Furthermore, such sites have the capacity to highlight all the sides of Corea's music, while PA, by definition, would split up the phases, the styles or such, focusing on the little that was proper for addition.
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Stanley Clarke is in 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:20
Chick has more than 4 fusion albums:

The Leprechaun


My Spanish Heart


The Mad Hatter


Secret Agent


Tap Step


Again & Again


The Ultimate Adventure

I think these only deserve an inclusion + Chick was one of the developers of fusion.... I think there is no question about that....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:34
RTF, Corea Electrik Band, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Al Dimeola are all here.
The JR team decided not to add solo Corea because the full discog rule would bring on too many pure jazz and avant-jazz records. We get a lot of flak for adding artists that bring more old jazz records on the site, otherwise we would probably add other progressive fusion artists such as Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Herbie Mann, George Benson, Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer and some more I'm not thinking of right now.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:05
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

RTF, Corea Electrik Band, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Al Dimeola are all here.
The JR team decided not to add solo Corea because the full discog rule would bring on too many pure jazz and avant-jazz records. We get a lot of flak for adding artists that bring more old jazz records on the site, otherwise we would probably add other progressive fusion artists such as Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Herbie Mann, George Benson, Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer and some more I'm not thinking of right now.

For the Electrik Band to be here and not individually for My Spanish Heart makes no sense to me.  I've said my peace/piece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

RTF, Corea Electrik Band, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Al Dimeola are all here.
The JR team decided not to add solo Corea because the full discog rule would bring on too many pure jazz and avant-jazz records. We get a lot of flak for adding artists that bring more old jazz records on the site, otherwise we would probably add other progressive fusion artists such as Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Herbie Mann, George Benson, Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer and some more I'm not thinking of right now.
For the Electrik Band to be here and not individually for My Spanish Heart makes no sense to me.  I've said my peace/piece.



Dude, I explained why in the above post. We get flak from the big boys on this site for bringing jazz albums on the site via the full discog rule. Electrik band was a clever compromise on my part. I'm proud of my work even if you aren't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:41
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

RTF, Corea Electrik Band, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Al Dimeola are all here.
The JR team decided not to add solo Corea because the full discog rule would bring on too many pure jazz and avant-jazz records. We get a lot of flak for adding artists that bring more old jazz records on the site, otherwise we would probably add other progressive fusion artists such as Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Herbie Mann, George Benson, Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer and some more I'm not thinking of right now.
For the Electrik Band to be here and not individually for My Spanish Heart makes no sense to me.  I've said my peace/piece.



Dude, I explained why in the above post. We get flak from the big boys on this site for bringing jazz albums on the site via the full discog rule. Electrik band was a clever compromise on my part. I'm proud of my work even if you aren't.


I understand...but fusion without Chick (Mad Hatter, My Spanish Heart, etc.) is like symph prog without Genesis or folk prog without The Strawbs....It just doesn't make sense

anyway... congrats for the Electrik Band move
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