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-Radioswim- 
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 Posted: July 05 2009 at 19:02 |
 lucas wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I find Marrillion to be cheesy and immature... |
Ah yes, of course it is much more immature than all those "progressive" death metal bands...especially regarding the lyrics...
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Yeah, that Hogarth is so immature... with his deep concept album about a young women found on a bridge, and the songs of her Memories of a sexually abused and misunderstood childhood. Not to mention the lyrical themes.  Hogarth Marillion ES FORE LEETLE BOYZ and GURLZ! I'm speaking of "Brave". Jake, I suggest you go out and get your mits on it. You might change your mind about your said comment... cheesey... PFT 
Edited by -Radioswim- - July 05 2009 at 19:03
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 18:56 |
daslaf wrote:
Dream Theater, I hate their music |
Cold, and to the point. I like that.
I will ask though, have you given "Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory" a go?
I wouldn't really consider myself a fan of Dream Theater, but this album is just Goooood. Damnit man, listen to it!
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lucas
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 16:00 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I find Marrillion to be cheesy and immature... |
Ah yes, of course it is much more immature than all those "progressive" death metal bands...especially regarding the lyrics...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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daslaf
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 15:32 |
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Dream Theater, I hate their music
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But now my branches suffer
And my leaves don't bear the glow
They did so long ago
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 10:17 |
St.Cleve Chronicle wrote:
Marillion |
Roughly 3 years ago, and I woulda said the same thing...
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-Radioswim-
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Posted: July 05 2009 at 10:14 |
anglagardist wrote:
There is one genre of popular music, it's called rock. It has huge variation of forms and styles. One of them is called progressive rock. In comparison with most other forms of rock, it's more adventurous, it's hard to understand, simply "hard to get into". But as we all here on PA know, after multiple listening with patience it's much more interesting than other easy accessible forms and styles of rock.
There is one genre of rock, it's called progressive rock. it has huge variation of forms and styles. Some of them we could call "hard to get into" prog. In comparison with most other forms of prog, it's more adventurous, it's hard to understand, simply "hard to get into". But as some of us here on PA know, after multiple listening with patience it's much more interesting than other easy accessible forms and styles of prog.
I don't want to claim it's law, it's just my observation. 30 out of 30 my most popular albums of all time are all "hard to get into albums" by artists as VdGG, Peter Hammill, Gentle Giant, KC, Magma, Miriodor, Present, Far Corner, Anglagard , "Palepoli" by Osanna, "MéM" by After Crying etc.
I need to say, that 10 or 15 years ago, as a proghead-newbie, I would never believe I will love any of artists mentioned above and I would never believe I will know better bands than Genesis, Marillion or Pink Floyd. |
Well said man, Well said. Accept, I wouldn't say that VDGG, KC, MAGMA, or any other group on your first list are "better" then Genesis, Marillion or Pink Floyd. Those 3 bands are quite amazing. I think they can only be paralelled, not surpassed. Much like plenty of Prog out there. After all the 5+ years I've been listening on and off with Gentle Giant, I know almost all of the songs well. But I just don't understand what makes them so damn special? I mean, yeah they're different, but I can't help but feel 'cheesed' after listening to a GG Album. Particularly Octopus. I eventually decided to just stop wasting my precious prog hours and give up. I gave it a good go guys, but this guy just doesn't like the Gentle prog Giant. 
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anglagardist
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Posted: July 04 2009 at 17:15 |
There is one genre of popular music, it's called rock. It has huge variation of forms and styles. One of them is called progressive rock. In comparison with most other forms of rock, it's more adventurous, it's hard to understand, simply "hard to get into". But as we all here on PA know, after multiple listening with patience it's much more interesting than other easy accessible forms and styles of rock.
There is one genre of rock, it's called progressive rock. it has huge variation of forms and styles. Some of them we could call "hard to get into" prog. In comparison with most other forms of prog, it's more adventurous, it's hard to understand, simply "hard to get into". But as some of us here on PA know, after multiple listening with patience it's much more interesting than other easy accessible forms and styles of prog.
I don't want to claim it's law, it's just my observation. 30 out of 30 my most popular albums of all time are all "hard to get into albums" by artists as VdGG, Peter Hammill, Gentle Giant, KC, Magma, Miriodor, Present, Far Corner, Anglagard , "Palepoli" by Osanna, "MéM" by After Crying etc.
I need to say, that 10 or 15 years ago, as a proghead-newbie, I would never believe I will love any of artists mentioned above and I would never believe I will know better bands than Genesis, Marillion or Pink Floyd.
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Mostly it's impossible to win the fight against stupidity. But always it's necessary to attempt it.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 17:04 |
crimson87 wrote:
Zappa is at it's best when going live , you should get Zappa in NY , Make a Jazz Noise Here or and Roxy and elsewhere.
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that should do it, maybe plus: Over-Nite Sensation and One Size Fits All  Oh and also Studio Tan because of RDNZL, and Zoot Allures because of the title track, and so on....
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crimson87
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 16:47 |
Zappa is at it's best when going live , you should get Zappa in NY , Best band you never heard in your life or Roxy and elsewhere.
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 16:25 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
Logan wrote:
progrocker2244 wrote:
The Rio/Avant prog genre as well. (That means Zappa)
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Just out of curiosity, which Zappa albums do you know?
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Hot Rats, Freak Out, and Chunga's Revenge. I don't mind some of the music, but it is far from all of the high ratings it gets. I haven't had them for very long, so maybe they need some more time
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Zappa is definitely an aquired taste ...you should give Apostrophe ( ' ), Over-Nite Sensation, & One Size Fits All a shot. 
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J-Man
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 16:23 |
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Logan
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 16:10 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
The Rio/Avant prog genre as well. (That means Zappa)
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Just out of curiosity, which Zappa albums do you know?
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rushfan4
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 12:10 |
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St.Cleve Chronicle
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 12:07 |
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esky
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 12:01 |
 I can readily agree with other contributers about the "I don't get it"-ness of groups like Magma and Dream Theater. What I cannot tolerate is any miscomprehension or lack of understanding (same thing) for a band like VDGG. Simply a cornerstone of English art rock. Put your headsets back on, boys, and get into the swing of things. I mean, do come along!
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J-Man
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:47 |
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The Rio/Avant prog genre as well. (That means Zappa)
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J-Man
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:45 |
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Symphony X. I love Dream Theater, but I can't get into these guys. I don't mind The Divine Wings of Tragedy, but V is completely overrated.
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Falling Flower
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 07:24 |
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Dream Theater. I have their cds. I tried listening to them. But it didn't work. So obviously I tried again. And still, nothing ^^
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Tool makes the butterflies in my tumybox go woooooooosh
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CPicard
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 12:03 |
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Just when I start collecting VdGG discography (I have Still Life and H to He), I'm beginning to wonder if I'm really interested.
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Negoba
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Posted: June 30 2009 at 11:58 |
I've spent more time than I should trying to get into VdGG.
I also should like Blind Guardian (I like Tolkien, I like metal, what's not to like?) but my power metal taste just isn't what it used to be.
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