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JROCHA 
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 Topic: 80's Rush......Art Rock?
Posted: June 10 2009 at 20:05 |
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We all know Early Rush was hard Rock heavily influenced by Zep, them came Peart and the Prog influence really came along. The y mixed Hard Rock with Prog Rock. When the 70's came winding down their music got less heavy and more short song oriented. But the music was still very artistsic, some say they got more poppy. But it seems like from Moving Pictures to Hold your Fire were Art Rock albums. What do you think?
Prog and Art Rock are not the same very realated though.
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 21:04 |
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I really don't know what constitutes it, but, in a sense, they could be considered art-rock.
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 21:20 |
Personally I always considered Prog rock and art rock interchangeable terms, since the whole point of prog is to be "artistic." But that's a debate for another thread.  I'd say 80s Rush was art rock, though Hold Your Fire is certainly pushing it...but I guess for the time it was. 
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 22:24 |
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I concur. Prog rock and art rock have always seemed like the same thing as far as I know. However, prog is the 'cool' way to say it, if there is a cool way to say it.
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 22:35 |
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I always thought of art-rock as being a sort of hypoprog, if that makes any sense. I would agree that Moving Pictures hasn't quite got the sophistication or experimentation of their earlier stuff.
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Posted: June 10 2009 at 22:55 |
I'm not sure what either art-rock or prog-rock really mean, so they both seem rather general to me. That would make them interchangeable. Sure, some can talk about them in very specific ways, but they also have very specific definitions which are not shared by all.
I think we could still call them either in the 80s. I'm listening to Power Windows right now. Lots a strong melodies and catchy hooks. Not a problem for me. It's music. There's also a lot of good arrangements and orchestrations and performances. The sound is ultra-clean, so it's well produced. No, it's not as adventurous as some of their earlier work, but it's good music. Compare it to the hair metal bands that were popular at the time, or the dance pop (can you say Culture Club?) and you'll see how much better it is.
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 03:02 |
 JROCHA wrote:
We all know Early Rush was hard Rock heavily influenced by Zep, them came Peart and the Prog influence really came along. The y mixed Hard Rock with Prog Rock. When the 70's came winding down their music got less heavy and more short song oriented. But the music was still very artistsic, some say they got more poppy. But it seems like from Moving Pictures to Hold your Fire were Art Rock albums. What do you think? |
After a time labels became less and less relevant to me. I love all those albums (Signals being the best, IMO) and that's what matters.
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 04:03 |
I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs.
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 04:07 |
kingfriso wrote:
I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs. |
I suppose different ears hear different things.
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Posted: June 11 2009 at 04:17 |
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After a time labels became less and less relevant to me. I love all those albums (Signals being the best, IMO) and that's what matters. [/QUOTE]
Great point!
In fact looking back and listening to Rush these days makes for great lsistening on so many different levels.
Signals
Permanent Waves
Grace Under pressure
I even really enjoy Power Windows more these days than in 1985. Art Rock? Why the hell not  |
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 04:42 |
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i think moving pictures is sort of a proto-prog metal album with a lot of dubble bass pedals and heavy chords yoe can see were Dream Theater, Symphony x and other Prog metal bands got there chops from. as Moving Picture is the only Rush album i have an ive heard 2112 and its two differnt aproch
the Camera Eye have the same ending as Fools Overture from 2:10 church clocks
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:19 |
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I don't know if it means anything but my VHS of the Grace Under Pressure tour was chewed up by my first machine many years ago. I did manage to get in a few viewings before hand.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:45 |
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Progressive rock is a subgenre of Art-Rock. If we consider music like a form of Art and Rock like a kind of music. In the 80's Rush were playing a mixture of Art-Rock and Fusion and in the 90'S it was more Art-Heavy Rock. Maybe the word "Progressive" is a little vague.
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Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:55 |
Snow Dog wrote:
kingfriso wrote:
I recently searched for my Moving Pictures lp and tried to listen to it again... and again...
I just can't get into their music, it's not as progressive as the high grades made me think. I think they are more metal/heavy rock than prog. I found litlle artrock in their songs. |
I suppose different ears hear different things. |
Exactly  . Anyway, I give high grades to album because I believe they're good, not on the basis of their progressiveness or lack thereof. Personally, I don't think Moving Pictures has a whole to do with heavy metal or hard rock (unlike, for instance, Permanent Waves), while I hear quite a bit of influence from the so-called 'new wave' bands of the same period, especially The Police on "Vital Signs".
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 02:55 |
They made a deliberate change to their style after Hemispheres and moved away from the concept albums towards a more concise approach.For me this was their best time as the production side aided by Geddy using more keyboards expanded and the music took on more layers. The lyrics especially on songs like Tom Sawyer and Freewill really hit home. Rush were one the best things in the eighties and avoided falling off a creative cliff like some of the other prog bands from the seventies.All credit to them for that.
Art Rock is certainly a fitting definition although that has always seemed to me to be a way of sweeping up bands and music that can't be neatly fitted into other genres.
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 05:26 |
Listen boys don't look to hard into it, what we have are 3 lads who write play and produce music to a very high standard. Titles don't really matter that much,we all have our favourite Rush album, just don't make it Test For Echo
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Posted: June 26 2009 at 13:23 |
By a spooky coincidence, I'm listening to XYZ as I read this thread. A fantastic piece of rock music, no matter what sub genre it is put in. I love the whole album, and they are one of the most consistent bands I have ever had the pleasure of listening to over the years. 
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 15:47 |
art-rock means prog-rock. I would call their 80's outputs synth-pop/prog. In fact keyboards began to play a prominent role, and the production was competing the one of a frankie goes to hollywood on 'power windows'. Also one can hear a strong ska influence on 'grace under pressure', parallels with The Police are obvious. Noteworthy is the strong neo-prog feel to their songs. I must confess I prefer their 80's albums over their 70's ones, not because of the polished production, but because there was a huge improvement in vocals and music seems more entertaining and more "fresh" (an exception would be 'a farewell to kings' which for me is the best of their hard/prog days).
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 07:19 |
I think they are an excellent progband that has recorded several masterpieces in music. So, it wouldnīt be wrong to call them an ArtRock band.
In the other hand, I donīt value all prog rock as art-rock. Only a few recordings can be catalogued with that label.
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 16:24 |
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Yeah, maybe it's art rock. Or synth rock, as a contrast to synth pop. Or, one an just say "80s Rush" because I've never heard a band that plays hard rock music like that with dominant synths.
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