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Ricochet
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:23 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I don't know if I'm alone in this, but I think I "get" Magma, I just can't stomach the repetition. You should never play the same thing the same way twice. |
The part in bold is the key. Contrasts should indeed be used in repetitions. Otherwise, repetition was and still is so common in all forms of music, it's to be considered natural. And I can stomach the Zeuhl repetitions. If it's in their nature, so be it.
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Logan
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:23 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Is this thread about bands we can't get into or bands we don't like?
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Both, if those bands we can't get into are also bands we don't like because we haven't managed to get into them. It's more about bands we can't quite get into, which might imply that we don't quite like them, but don't dislike them really. The Mars Volta is a band I respected, but couldn't really get into (has its moments).
Edited by Logan - June 14 2009 at 13:28
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:27 |
Logan wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Is this thread about bands we can't get into or bands we don't like?
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Both, if those bands we can't get into are also bands we don't like because we haven't managed to get into them.
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Yeah, if...
Personally, music that I can't get into is music I'm more likely to eventually enjoy than to dislike. Chances are there's something interesting there that I just can't hear yet.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:28 |
SgtPepper67 wrote:
Also, Gentle Giant, I tried with several of their albums but I can't get into them, especially their sung melodies, they doesn't flow at all jumping from one note to another without any melodic sense.
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Just ignore him. That's what I try to do. Once you block out the melodies (which ultimately have nothing to do with what's going on in the rest of the composition) and his voice (blah...), you'll find some great music buried in there.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:30 |
SgtPepper67 wrote:
Also, Gentle Giant, I tried with several of their albums but I can't get into them, especially their sung melodies, they don't follow the rules of conventional harmony.
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Fixed.
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Logan
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:48 |
Visitor13 wrote:
Logan wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Is this thread about bands we can't get into or bands we don't like?
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Both, if those bands we can't get into are also bands we don't like because we haven't managed to get into them.
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Yeah, if...
Personally, music that I can't get into is music I'm more likely to eventually enjoy than to dislike. Chances are there's something interesting there that I just can't hear yet.
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Exactly, if.... (incidentally I edited a bit in before seeing your comment as I'm a compulsive editor). That's an interesting comment, and it would be the same for me pretty much. I can't imagine actively disliking music that I feel I can't get into, and if I feel I can't get into it then I might well appreciate it later. I have to be intrigued at least to begin with, but it doesn't take me long to get into music that holds some initial appeal. Sometimes the timing is not right, though, as one's not quite ready for certain music. There are stepping stones to get to some music -- musical experience, and some times it just takes a little time to get into and re-wire your brain for certain music. And sometimes one discovers something different to what one happens to be really into at the time, so it does not appeal so much. For music that I will really get into, it starts with some appreciation, and then over time the appreciation deepens. Then alter on that appreciation may go away. It may return. There are many, many more bands that I was into at one time and am no longer into, than bands that I feel like I'm not quite into.
Edited by Logan - June 14 2009 at 13:50
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:49 |
progrocker2244 wrote:
Gentle Giant I can't get into, and ELP is the same too.
As far as Gentle Giant, I'm just not crazy about their sound. Maybe I need to pull out Octopus again and see if it will grow on me yet...
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I'd never thought I would say this (as a non GG-fan) but you could try Three Friends. Even I liked that one which I consider some sort of miracle .
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 13:52 |
Three Friends is best recommended to symph lovers. It's one of my fave GG albums even though I'm not that big on symph anymore. For classic rockers, I'd recommend the first. I have always liked Acquiring the Taste the most on the whole.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 14:07 |
Logan wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Logan wrote:
Visitor13 wrote:
Is this thread about bands we can't get into or bands we don't like?
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Both, if those bands we can't get into are also bands we don't like because we haven't managed to get into them.
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Yeah, if...
Personally, music that I can't get into is music I'm more likely to eventually enjoy than to dislike. Chances are there's something interesting there that I just can't hear yet.
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Exactly, if.... (incidentally I edited a bit in before seeing your comment as I'm a compulsive editor).
That's an interesting comment, and it would be the same for me pretty much. I can't imagine actively disliking music that I feel I can't get into, and if I feel I can't get into it then I might well appreciate it later. I have to be intrigued at least to begin with, but it doesn't take me long to get into music that holds some initial appeal. Sometimes the timing is not right, though, as one's not quite ready for certain music. There are stepping stones to get to some music -- musical experience, and some times it just takes a little time to get into and re-wire your brain for certain music. And sometimes one discovers something different to what one happens to be really into at the time, so it does not appeal so much. For music that I will really get into, it starts with some appreciation, and then over time the appreciation deepens. Then alter on that appreciation may go away. It may return.
There are many, many more bands that I was into at one time and am no longer into, than bands that I feel like I'm not quite into.
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This is a great post, and it sums up my own thoughts on and experience in the subject very well.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 14:30 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all. |
Agreed.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 14:41 |
Fates Warning
Queensryche
To a lesser extent
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Opeth's growling albums
Sieges Even
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 15:26 |
Porcupine Tree
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 15:33 |
from what i've heard of the Mars Volta, i couldn't really get into, but ive never heard a full album besides that...i can't really get into Pink Floyd...plz don't kill me
Edited by hitting_singularity2 - June 14 2009 at 15:34
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 16:05 |
proggy wrote:
Gentle Giant
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Same ones with me.
Though I do like Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome and Aquiring the Taste.The less weird albums of theirs.
Of the others I heard ,are just anoying.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 16:13 |
Logan wrote:
Three Friends is best recommended to symph lovers. It's one of my fave GG albums even though I'm not that big on symph anymore. For classic rockers, I'd recommend the first. I have always liked Acquiring the Taste the most on the whole.
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yepper... not enough gets made of the distinct differences between the two prog phases of that group. If one didn't like one... there is the other to explore. IMO they are very different... I love the Philip Shulman era of the group... and distinctly don't care for the complex.. yet completely emotionless albums after he left.
Edited by micky - June 14 2009 at 16:16
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 20:38 |
micky wrote:
Logan wrote:
Three Friends is best recommended to symph lovers. It's one of my fave GG albums even though I'm not that big on symph anymore. For classic rockers, I'd recommend the first. I have always liked Acquiring the Taste the most on the whole.
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yepper... not enough gets made of the distinct differences between the two prog phases of that group. If one didn't like one... there is the other to explore. IMO they are very different... I love the Philip Shulman era of the group... and distinctly don't care for the complex.. yet completely emotionless albums after he left.
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Yeah, if you don't like Octopus/Glass House/Power and the Glory/Free Hand, you can just go for the first three albums. Three Friends is the easiest to get into from these albums but Acquiring The Taste is the best of the lot. Me, I like both phases more or less equally, I can't choose between the quintessential British graceful elegance of Acquiring...and the "complex emotionless exploration" of Free Hand. I find the second phase often goofy and addictive, the glass-shattering intro to Runaway, the coin toss on Boys In The Band and the clapping to introduce Just The Same. I have no clue why people - not referring to you, micky - get so upset about this goofiness, surely it's not mandatory that GG have to sound like Genesis or Camel.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 20:52 |
rogerthat wrote:
surely it's not mandatory that GG have to sound like Genesis or Camel. |
And thank god for that!
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 21:01 |
gr8dane wrote:
proggy wrote:
Gentle Giant
VDGG |
Same ones with me.
Though I do like Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome and Aquiring the Taste.The less weird albums of theirs.
Of the others I heard ,are just anoying. |
I would agree if someone called "Pawn Hearts" a weird album, but the rest in the discography of VdGG is pretty normal, at least to my ears. And Gentle Giant is not weird at all, in my opinion; actually "Acquiring the Taste" is one of their weirdest albums, together with "Octopus". Stuff which I would call "weird" is a lot of RIO, Zeuhl and the early Krautrock. But I actually like it weird.
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 21:12 |
Kansas
Rush
Styx
Alan Parsons project
Queen
Vangelis
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 21:45 |
Interesting discussion. I just wanna add tht a lot of albums/bands I reject at first are now some of my faves. That's the reason why I keep listening some groups even when I disliked/couldn't understand them at first. It happend with Genesis, Soft Machine's Third and a lot of krautrock groups that I adore by now (Ah ra Tempel, Amon Duul II).
But when you are used to appreciate some of the weird stuff even the hardest music to get into sounds more accesible to you. Never had any problem with Henry Cow's western Culture, only with the "vocal" tracks from the live album e.g.
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Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.
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