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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Thats a fair cop...I over reacted. But why mention the musicianship? And why then edit it and add...... though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them......? It may be my imagination....but from my conflicts with this member in the past, she is an expert at passive/ aggresive posts. But nevertheless, I am sorry for the unseemly behaviour.
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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I can relate to this ! I also have a hard time to really embrace this band. And also I am a true neo fan. But the last year it's getting better for me so maybe there's hope for you. Do you have all their albums ? Because for a long time I just loved Subterrenea (but then only 4 songs to be fair) until I discovered The Seventh House last year and suddenly there was a sort of click. Recently I bought all their eighties stuff but in that decade there are just a few songs I really like and the rest: not at all !
I have the same thing with Pallas and Hogarth era Marillion by the way. These bands just don't do it for my taste. Same goes for Sylvan I just realize. 80% of all neobands I heard so far I do like a lot however.
Outside the neo genre:
VDGG
King Crimson
Gentle Giant (not 100% terrible)
and especially: SIGUR ROS. I bought almost all their albums because they were for sale over here and now I have to review them all
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Also Magma, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and most Italian prog. Edited by progrules - June 13 2009 at 05:40 |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I have MDK...I think its called. I have listened several times. I don't expect to love it, but I do expect to at least like it......but I just don't. Can you point me in the right direction?
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Alitare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
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Most hard rock/heavy prog.
Deep Purple Led Zeppelin Queen Rush Porcupine Tree And some more "top name" progressive bands Gentle Giant Yes(Although I somewhat enjoy Close To The Edge) Something strange Opeth. It is strange. I WANT to love Opeth. I want Opeth to be one of my favorite bands, and for the most part, I really like them, but each album I feel should absolutely blow my mind somewhat underwhelms me. I don't know. |
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SergiUriah ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 03 2009 Location: I don´t know Status: Offline Points: 453 |
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![]() ![]() Jejeje...
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progmetalhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 15 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 2081 |
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![]() ![]() May I suggest another site that will be of interest
Rush unexceptional....pfffft
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SergiUriah ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 03 2009 Location: I don´t know Status: Offline Points: 453 |
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I just only would like to know a thing. Why some works from Santana (even I only have his first one, and a Greatest Hits and Abraxas I have listened 70´s Lps too...) are named in this page as Prog Albums???
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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The passive aggressiveness has only been read into my posts; I am not passive aggressive at all. And from your reactions to some of my posts which were not meant to be aggressive at all it might as well be said that you are a master at open aggressiveness. ![]() The truth is that there have been some misunderstandings between us; you read something into my posts which are not there, reacted hotly, and then of course I felt peeved too and answered in the same measure. Most of it got started by my and Jean's criticism of the "Peartians". I have nothing at all against people for whom Peart is their favourite drummer, but to treat him as unreachable and way above any other drummer is what peeves me. First of all it is not true, and second it is an insult to all the other excellent drummers out there. If he is your favourite drummer, fine, but don't turn him into a God. It is this attitude which we criticize, nothing else. If you take a look at some of the drum polls in this archive you will have to admit that this attitude has often been taken by his fans. And in that light the comment "though not as exceptional as his fans try to make him" is to be seen. That's all. If that is passive-aggressive to you, I can't help it. But I am willing to bury the hatchet, so I will admit that this comment was unnecessary and hereby retract it. I am certain that Peart fans see the merits of other drummers too. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I don't know that he is my favourite drummer actually. I believe that some drummers are so different from each other that its impossible to compare "like for like". Maybe some Rush fans do treat him as unreachable, I don't know about that, I haven't met anyone as close minded. I am willing to bury the hatchett too. If I read too much into your innocent posts then it was my mistake. Problem is...with the printed word...one can read what one wants I suppose. ![]() Until next time we meet on the battlefield........adieu! ![]() BTW.......which Magma album would you recommend to me? ![]() |
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valravennz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 20 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2546 |
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Coming in rather late to this err discourse...
I quite catagorically can not get into Rush; Dream Theater (although "Awake" is a pretty decent album); Metallica; The Mars Volta; Mastodon; The Flower Kings and most Extreme Tech Metal bands. I have tried but they do nothing to enhance my personal listening pleasure. I make no apology for my opinion of these bands but accept that they obviously bring listening pleasure to others
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StyLaZyn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
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It is what it is. The elitism for the sake of being elite is what I offer wonder about. If a person can't get into something bizarre, there is a good reason. Who are the most popular Prog bands? And why are they the most popular? Probably it is because they write good music that appeals to a greater audience while at the same time don't offer mass appeal like Top 40.
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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People should stop recommending M.D.K. as a starting point for Magma. We're losing a lot of potential devotees because of that
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mirco ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 04 2005 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 819 |
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Please forgive me for my crappy english!
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Even "Abraxas" is a full-fledged prog album in my opinion. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I couldn't agree more - the studio MDK didn't click with me until I was well into Magma and well-versed with the version from Retrospektiw I-II, which I still prefer. I like Kobaia or 1001 as an introduction, followed by Kohntarkosz and Retro if you're not scared off. Problem is those two early albums are very different from MDK and the later material, but I still think it's a bit easier in terms of exposure. |
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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What about if, instead of regaling us with your usual snarky, patronising comments, you just recognised that people may have different tastes from yours? If you have decided you don't like The Decemberists, or The Mars Volta, or whatever, we could talk ourselves blue in the face and not convince you that there is something good about those bands - all you want to do is to prove we're idiots who don't understand the first thing about prog. And, btw, it's not 'crooning', but 'crowing', I suppose... I don't generally make soothing sounds like I would to a baby when I talk about the music I like. Edited by Raff - June 13 2009 at 08:18 |
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Captain Capricorn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 21 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1085 |
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M.D.K. is where I started, & I was hooked from day one.
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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Gosh! I'm enjoying this thread. So many little scraps going on all over the place - it seems to have caught peoples imaginations.
I must say Kingcrimson778 I would have great difficulty describing what it is I like about a lot of things but I don't think that would make them intrinsically bad or nothing.
![]() Now where is that 'kiss and make up' emoticon so many of you seem to need?
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Help me I'm falling!
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GaryB ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 17 2009 Status: Offline Points: 451 |
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I have difficulty getting into some of the Prog/Folk bands I've heard. I have tried more than once to get into Gryphon, especially Raindance. Strange Days is another band I've tried several times. These are bands that I really wanted to like (I try to be positive in the beginning) but so far, nothing has clicked.
From the same Prog/Folk list I like Carmen and Ramses so it's not necessarily the "sub genre", it's just certain bands.
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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Somebody else mentioned Kohntarkohz. I would say that is the best starting point with Magma. I listened to Kohntarkohz first and then when I tried MDK, I got stuck, it took a long time to develop a liking for it. Even now, though I love 1001 degrees and Christian Vander Wutah to death, none of the other albums do as much for me as Kohntarkohz. The other albums are packed with incredible amounts of music that's just too hard to assimilate in a few listens, I know that I haven't got there yet either. Kohntarkohz is relatively sparse with less "activity" and a flowing theme. It's still going to be like, "What sort of music is this, it's like nothing I have heard" but it's probably the best bet with Magma for you. If you can't get past Kohntarkohz, Magma may not be for you. As for topic, I would say Flower Kings. I have issues with the vocals as far as Spocks Beard and Dream Theater, so I am never going to become a huge fan of both bands. I have got used to LaBrie to a large extent and ignore him and take in the rest of the music, so I am able to moderately enjoy most of their albums and I had no issues with Images..and Awake from the beginning. But TFK...all the elements are there, but it never strikes me as special. It must be, they have so many fans, they are so prolific and the delivery is professional but it leaves me cold in the end.
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