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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 17:09 |
listen wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them.* Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.
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It is probably special for many people from the North American continent, simply because the first prog band they ever come in contact with is Rush, and first loves are always special. But that's not the way it happened with me. I grew up with the music my brother, who is ten years older than I am, listened to, and after a short period, during which he was a big Genesis fan, he started discovering new bands on his own. At first he bought albums by bands he had heard the names of by friends, then he simply bought any album of which he liked the cover, which made him discover Hawkwind and Gong. Some of his friends were big into Krautrock, and for the stoned-out brain he had at that time it was just the right thing. I am responsible for his discovery of VdGG, since I bought him "Godbluff" for his 17th birthday; I liked the Escher-inspired band logo. My parents are not interested in music at all (strange but true), so he was my first and only source of music when I was a little kid. And I was fascinated by all these strange sounds; I had never thought such sounds could be possible. That bit of music I heard on the radio which was played during short breaks while my father listened to the live commentating of the saturday football matches had nothing at all to do with the stuff my brother heard. It was like music from another planet for me. The first time I heard Rush was years later, and while I acknowledged their advanced musicianship I did not see anything special in them at all, not after all the things I had already heard. That is how I grew up. I fully understand that for people who first came in contact with prog through Rush they must mean a lot more to them; it just is not the case with me.
Edited by BaldFriede - June 12 2009 at 17:09
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:59 |
Wow, this thread just got started and already three pages. First off I just want to say that if you don't like a band I think is da bomb, you're obviously a jerk and have bad taste in music. But seriously, there's so much stuff out there under the prog umbrella and so much variety, you're not going to find anyone that likes all the popular prog bands. If you criticize, be fair. Wait. You don't like Radiohead? Who could possibly not like Radiohead? I think the real gems are found in the artists off the beaten path.
BaldFriede wrote:
You obviously have not understood a word I wrote.
I was not even criticizing the musicians of Rush. The only thing I
criticize is the behaviour of their fans. I have nothing against people
liking certain musicians; everyone has their favourite one, and that's
fine with me. I have my personal favorites too. But I am not declaring
them to be über-musicians. The musicians of Rush are excellent; I never
doubted that. So where is your problem?
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Beware of the rabid fan boy or girl.
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 12 2009 at 18:57
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CPicard
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:57 |
I can't get into Rush: the various songs from their first albums I heard made me think of Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and even Queen, but in an irritating way to me. I had 1 CD from Marillion - "Fugazi"; I listened "Thieving Magpie" and songs from various albums: I get a little bored. Same thing with Pendragon. And I get über-bored with Anekdoten and Kayo Dot. Really. Oh, and Radiohead, too.
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Synchestra
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:40 |
Gentle Giant, i've tried a couple times. But im sure they'll click soon. VDGG i used to sort of like but not really get the fuss, untill Still Life clicked, now i love them.
The only band so far i havnt been able to get into is Dream Theater, i find a good couple riffs in there, but they always seem to be so over the top, all my friends love them, and have loved them for a long time, so i dont think ill ever really like them.
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listen
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:30 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Rush. I never understood all the fuss about them. Good musicians, though not as exceptional as their fans try to make them, but the music is nothing special at all.
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for you, that is.
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Now is all there is. Be before you think!
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:25 |
I have to add, almost any music that is simply weird, like GSYBE. If it doesn't have a decent melody, it's just not an enjoyment. I guess I'm not artsy fartsy enuff.
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listen
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:22 |
topofsm wrote:
Let's see, the Flower Kings are a pretty obvious choice. I don't see their genius, they seem pretty standard to me.
I've taken a couple listens to Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh, and I have to say that it hasn't helped me appreciate Magma at all. So far to me it only sounds like weird chanting and singing. I'm not reviewing the album though until I feel I 'get' what all their fans are raving about.
Also I do enjoy Frank Zappa a bit, but I'm afraid his somewhat more fusiony stuff like The Grand Wazoo sounds kind of boring to me.
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I have trouble with MDK too. Have you tried Kohntarzosz?
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Hercules
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:20 |
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listen
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:13 |
Kraftwerk Dream Theater Neu! Queen
to some extent: Supertramp Zappa Bacamarte Focus Hawkwind Ozric Tentacles Los Jaivas
To a lesser extent Gentle Giant pre-'74 Tangerine Dream Gong Mahavishnu Orchestra MDK by Magma (love Kohntarkosz..) Radiohead The Strawbs Banco del Mutuo Soccorso Deep Purple Gryphon Faust
Edited by listen - June 13 2009 at 21:27
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:06 |
Pink Floyd
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Captain Capricorn
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:06 |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:05 |
Hercules wrote:
VDGG, King Crimson, all the Krautrock I've heard without exception, Can, Gong, Magma, Zappa, The Mars Volta, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum; anything dark or avant garde.
I used to include Gentle Giant and Strawbs in this group, but I now love both these bands. ELP are also just beginning to grow on me after years of indifference.
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You are missing out on all the good stuff.
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Hercules
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:03 |
VDGG, King Crimson, all the Krautrock I've heard without exception, Can, Gong, Magma, Zappa, The Mars Volta, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum; anything dark or avant garde.
I used to include Gentle Giant and Strawbs in this group, but I now love both these bands. ELP are also just beginning to grow on me after years of indifference.
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Logan
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 16:02 |
There are quite a few that I'm just not into anymore. It's common for music to pall over time for me. With Rush, some of the music clicked in a big way, but I never developed much appreciation for the band (some albums I certainly enjoyed). Really, I haven't put much effort into trying to get into bands. If an album doesn't have quick appeal, I don't force the album or band's stuff on myself. I like what I like and don't expect others to have the same tastes (of course there are those who share similar tastes to mine), and I don't expect to like what others really like (unless I already know that we share similar tastes).
I can't think of cases where I took to a band only after making an effort (sometimes one may start with the wrong album, or piece of music....). The appreciation comes quickly for me with ones I really like, it's just that with some the appreciation deepens over time.
Actually, there was one that I felt I misjudged at first, but can't remember what it was -- not a favourite, anyway. Oh yeah, Radiohead. Mea culpa, I didn't know enough of the music and had some misconceptions, but I didn't make an effort, I just happened to hear more material that immediately appealed.
EDIT: Sorry for digressing from the topic, but for me I see little point in trying hard to get into bands and certain types of music when there is already such a huge amount of music that will appeal (fit my tastes). I still like to explore outside my comfort zone, and may find at some time that music that would not appeal to me at this stage in my musical journey may appeal at a later time (it can take musical steeping stones to get there). But I'm lazy.... If I'm not intrigued at the least, to start with, by the music, then it's unlikely that forcing myself would make me appreciate more (might even make me hate it more).
Edited by Logan - June 12 2009 at 16:23
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SergiUriah
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:47 |
Although a few songs from these bands may be interesting for me....
PINK FLOYD
TANGERINE DREAM
FLOWER KINGS
LE ORME
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Steven in Atlanta
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:43 |
And I concur with the others before me as Rush has never appealed to me in the slightest. Great musicians with great chops, no doubt, but their albums leave me completely unmoved. Different strokes, I guess.
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paulwalker71
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:25 |
The first one that springs to mind is Jethro Tull. I can't see them as anything special.
And to a lesser extent, ELP (although I've perhaps not given them a fair chance)
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rushfan4
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:18 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Camel, Caravan, and Gong...boring blah! |
Ok so you don't like them but that knife turning at the end! To say GONG are boring (Cotton Buds needed) NEVER boring NEVER conventional (Unlike most modern prog and a lot of old).
(Does Rick Wakeman count? ) |
I have tried so hard to give all of them a chance over and over. Camel I can somewhat get into but it would never be a play for enjoyment. And there is boring unconventional music. Gong happens to be one of those. |
I found that I really like Camel's debut and Moonmadness is pretty good too. I haven't heard Mirage except for a couple of songs. I find that Snow Goose has a couple of really good moments, but mostly falls under the boring. I've only listened to a little bit of Gong, but what I have heard was too strange for my tastes. Still, if I happen across any of their other albums in the used section I'll probably be sure to check them out.
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mirco
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:15 |
Gentle Giant for me.
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topofsm
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Posted: June 12 2009 at 15:15 |
Let's see, the Flower Kings are a pretty obvious choice. I don't see their genius, they seem pretty standard to me.
I've taken a couple listens to Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh, and I have to say that it hasn't helped me appreciate Magma at all. So far to me it only sounds like weird chanting and singing. I'm not reviewing the album though until I feel I 'get' what all their fans are raving about.
Also I do enjoy Frank Zappa a bit, but I'm afraid his somewhat more fusiony stuff like The Grand Wazoo sounds kind of boring to me.
That's about it.
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