Tori Amos-Deserves to be in Prograchives

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Lucas..............ART POP = PROG?   It sounds to me more like artistic Pop, something I can admit but again IMO no relation with Prog.   BTW: I don't speak German, beyond the basics (Despite my rusty Deutsch, her bio is not clear about her being Prog, only mentions she started as a Kate Bush clone and developed an own "angeproggten" style, which if I'm not wrong means AOR), so i stay with the English and Spanish sites, and she's (or at least was the last time I checked) in none,   BTW: The German site apparently considers AOR as Prog....We don't   This is not determinant of course, but a good reference.   BTW: If Kate Bush is in Prog Related, I don't see how a clone of her can be in a full Prog sub-genre.   Iván

I think you make a very important point here Ivan regarding KB being in Prog Related, the similarities of TA making a similar case.......I guess that swings both ways in that KB and TA would fit Crossover also. Personally I do not think TA was ever a clone of Kate Bush or her music, she is a fine musician in her own right and more prolific, so the article is wrong in my opinion. It would be like saying Fish was a clone of PG, there again that view point may carry more weight.

Dalezilla wrote: Slarti, I have it and have listened to it once. Really enjoying it so far! And she's definitely not a Kate Bush clone.

I don't find calling her a clone is insulting necessarily. 
I could tell from her earlier works that she was certainly influenced by Kate and that's what got me into her in the first place.

I'm going to let Abnormally Attracted To Sin finish sinking in for a little while and then I'll probably post a review of it here and maybe attempt to make the case for her inclusion in prog related or somewhere else. 

But hey, even if she isn't prog or accepted as prog around here, she still makes great music.  She can out perform many prog keyboardists.  I love her intriguing, provocative, and very often very moving lyrics.  She's one of those artists where I really always have to get her latest whenever it comes out, and each album ends up reminding of what was going on in my life at the time when I go back and listen to it. 

Yeah, fanboy since Pretty Good Year pretty much.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: ^ if you gathered from that bio that Tori Amos is AOR, then perhaps you should not try to read German texts ...

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 11 2009 at 12:16

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: "angeproggt" means "proggy", simply put.   What does proggy means? We use the word Progy to describe bands that don't even deserve to be here.   Iván

Well, it would certainly better if we rated progressiveness on some kind of scale ... so you wouldn't always have to wonder if "proggy" or "Progy" (have it your way, personally I've *never* seen that word on any website) is less prog than "prog-related". But wait a moment ... you don't like that either.

IMO "proggy" means the same as prog-related, at least when used on other websites. Here it usually means "less than prog-related".

^ sorry ... what was your point again?

There are many websites about progressive music ... they will always be using different labels and definitions than this one. You're free to ignore others, or pretend that the word "proggy" doesn't exist ... but it won't help in these discussions, and you'll come across as being arrogant.

Like it or not, PA uses a system that's similar to that of PF ... the difference is that here there are only three steps (Non-Prog, Prog-Related, Prog) instead of the ten steps at PF, and the split between Approach and Style at PF. There are other more subtle differences of course, but in the end it boils down to assigning a level of progressiveness. You can rant about that all you want, but as soon as you're saying that one band is prog-related and another prog, you are participating in this system.

One of my favourite albums is called Amosfears and that was a concept album. Sort of.

Mr ProgFreak wrote: That's true of course, but that was never the subject here.

Well Mike propose the Administrators to implement the numerical chart, let them decide.

In that case she wouldn't be added and would be no need for a chart, because we only add new features top bands that are already added.

^^ I don't even know what you mean by "adding a chart for her", Iván.

Please, can't you keep the two websites separated? I posted the chart because some people may find it interesting. I know you don't think it's a good idea ... but you're not the only one involved in this discussion.


Edited by Mr ProgFreak - June 11 2009 at 14:32