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crimson87
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 03 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1818 |
Posted: June 09 2009 at 19:56 | ||||
Legal downloads and CDS , I mean there is nothing like paying for a file.
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moreitsythanyou
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 00:10 | ||||
I rip my CDs to my computer plus downloads (some legal)
CDs are in my car though |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 01:20 | ||||
Mostly CD's. I seldom listen to music on my PC. I have some legal downloads (MP3) and I still have a small collection of LP's, but CD's are still the best for me.
I was a bit disappointed by the sound quality of some (legal) downloads. I'm not a sound freak and I never was, but I could tell the difference between CD's and MP3's quite well. Still, it depends. Lately I downloaded a remaster of Steve Hackett's Defector and I was surprised at the good sound quality.
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 01:44 | ||||
^ Did you ever consider the possibility that when you can hear a difference between CD and MP3 it might be simply because the MP3 was ripped from a different source? For example, maybe you have a remastered CD but the MP3 you found on the internet (legal or illegal, doesn't matter for this consideration) was ripped from a different version of the album, or even from an analog copy through tape or vinyl?
I'm very sure that if you rip a CD to MP3 yourself, with a proper, modern codec and at least 256kbit, you can't hear the difference. |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 01:48 | ||||
It really depends on how you want to see it. To me it's not the file I'm paying for, it's the music. For CDs you could also say that you're paying for a piece of plastic. Ok, you get the booklet too in most cases - but that contains information that you also find on the internet - on the band's website, at wikipedia etc.. I know that having the booklet is one of the reasons why people still prefer CDs, but to me the music is still the most important thing about an album. Artwork is important too, but when you buy an album as a download today you get the artwork too, so it's not really an issue anymore. |
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harmonium.ro
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 08:07 | ||||
With these speakers Walter will already feel the difference between high and low bitrate files. Listening to his collection will not be as pleasurable any more |
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St.Cleve Chronicle
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 02 2008 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1131 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 11:29 | ||||
I mostly listen to CD's, but there's something magical about vinyl. So, I voted for that.
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Passionist
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 14 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1119 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 11:41 | ||||
I saw this article in a hi-fi magazine once, where they had a variety of professionals testing different formats and set-ups. They were blindfolded, so they did not know which was which, and in the end, vinyl was the clear winner. I reckon it's because it does sound most like audio should, after all, it's completely analog, isn't it :D anyway, I love hunting for old vinyls and then listening to them scratch on my player. Though nowadays old discs cost more than cds, easily. I can't find a copy of In The Court of the Crimson King for less then 30€ here. And they're all used of course. |
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Q6
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 18 2008 Location: York, UK Status: Offline Points: 126 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 13:00 | ||||
mmm I was trying to add a little fact and personal knowledge/experience to your question. Unfortunately when the discussion starts talking about not believing people it stops being an informed discussion (no matter how many winks you add) . Then when analogue...infinity bit.... is converted to vinyl groove... and molecules blah blah..., your science information is entertaining, but belongs in a hitchiker's guide to the galaxy novel. We can all do that ... either a molecule is there or it isn't ! So everything is binary / digital! Therefore analogue is a figment of our imaginations !! And I only have 2 ears so I must my 7.1 surround sound is only in stereo. Philosphy grade 1 science It's quirky and humerous but of little real fact. Bored now. Edited by Q6 - June 10 2009 at 13:04 |
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 13:34 | ||||
^ My problem is that I'm a skilled and experienced musician ... and I've come to trust my ears. I don't hear a difference, you say you hear one. Between my own first hand experience and your claim, I choose my experience, especially since it is backed by the study I linked to above and many other comments that I've read - and heard - over the years. I've never ever met anybody who could prove that claim (that they could hear a difference between CD and high quality MP3), but there are plenty of independent studies that showed that people were not able to make the distinction.
And the whole vinyl thing has been discussed to death too ... the format is inherently inferior to CD. I love vinyls, I collect them and enjoy listening to them. There may even be some albums that I prefer to listen to on vinyl than on CD or MP3 ... but I'm sure that this has nothing to do with them being superior ... the mix could simply be different (vinyl is usually mastered differently than linear mediums). |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 16:09 | ||||
Well, since the Hackett album that I mentioned I did considered that a sound quality equal to CD is possible, but I hadn't really thought of the quality loss through the process of MP3-ification. I just thought that the Hackett album was a sort of new generation MP3. You're the expert on this.
It is good news for the future, because I do believe that MP3 in the end is a better format, because of it being so compact.
For the moment, though, it doesn't change a lot: at the moment I trust buying CD's more than I trust buying MP3 downloads. But the Hackett album that I mentioned did open my eyes (or ears in this case) that a very good sound quality is possible with MP3, and that in the future I will probably switch from CD to MP3 in all music.
Thanks for the information. BTW a bit off topic: I'm very happy with the Secunia software you suggested in another thread. It works very well.
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Mr ProgFreak
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 16:47 | ||||
^ You can still give emusic a try ... even if you only start with a download plan of 10-20 tracks per month, you can save quite some money. Over the years I downloaded 412 albums there, and I never ever encountered a badly ripped file. Rather the reverse ... some of their files are well beyond 256kbps on average. The new Peter Hammill album that I downloaded a few hours ago only has about 210kbps ... that's because there's not so much going on in the music frequency-wise (it's piano and vocals much of the time). Sounded amazing ... at least to my ears.
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: June 11 2009 at 04:07 | ||||
Thanks for the advice. I did download some free tracks from E-Music from Anthony Phillips, but still I thought the sound quality was a bit poor. Maybe it has to do with the process on my pc, burning it on the cd. I'm not an expert on this. Maybe the problem lies with me, not with E-Music or any of the other providers.
E-Music mostly didn't have the albums that I wanted to have, but that may change in the future.
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Chris S
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
Posted: June 11 2009 at 04:22 | ||||
I prefer Mp3 to CD's now, in fact my CD's are beginning to gather dust and I would still put vinyl before CD as a preference
Vinyl - all encompassing....wonderful
CD's - Too frigging small to read the covers. They always were and the plastic covers often snapped at the hinge
Mp3's - Make for fantastic digital library archives, of course the Cd and Vinyl contribute to the archives as wellas legal downloads but it is more exciting than CD IMO
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