My generation

Hahahaha that's a great story, Ivan. I hadn't heard it before, anyway (though I am pretty new here LOL). Just goes to show, previous generations always look better because only the good stuff endures. I'm sure there was a lot of rubbish in Beethoven's time, too, that the Russians didn't really know about ;)

The point I'm trying to say is that this generation's great stuff is very little known. Again, I can see RHCP or Radiohead (I'm not a huge fan of either though) but other than these two any rock is pretty much 'indie'. All the crap bands are being played on mainstream radio, and don't get me wrong there are still really good bands around today, but they are hardly well known enough to be remembered as greats in the next decade or two.

Edited by Slartibartfast - June 10 2009 at 17:44

Slartibartfast wrote: God Damned Young People and Their Rap Music Make Me Angry

I laughed quite hard.


Edited by Calculate900 - June 10 2009 at 15:05

Isa wrote: Morakthesage wrote: I really don't know what makes young prog fans like us deviant, but if there's two things that seem to do it, it's parents that listen to lots of classic rock (prog or not) and inteligence. Personaly, I've never met a dumb prog fan. I just can't get into all of the repetition of beats and the risqué lyrics of hip hop, or the general sound of alt or indie rock. Prog offers me somthing more substantial, something to chew on for a while, and most of my high school peers refuse to try something new. It's a shame. I've introduced my friends to prog, and some of the more accesable stuff like Yes and Jethro Tull have become really popular in my clique (Kraotrock, not so much). Got to try and spread the love! Too true, too true. I can say the same, classic-rock-listening parents + intelligence = prog, or at least for everyone I know in real life. In fact my entire clique in high school was into prog by the time we were upperclassmen (pretty soon it almost became a requirement to hang out with us ). Unfortunately I'm now in college and have met only one person who only listens to the most mainstream of prog (DT, Porcupine Tree, Yes, Genesis, etc.), which I've digested quite fine by know anyways, and pretty much everyone else listens to what I perceive as total crap.  I've tried introducing prog to my more intelligent friends, but it seems a pretty hit and miss for the bands they like.

One of the earlier posters mentioned that this generation (the current teen/twenthsomethings) may be an Indie Rock generation.  I'm tending to agree with that.  Granted, I haven't been to a high school for almost twenty years now, but with the internet, there are so many different choices.

If one kid wanted to listen to Progressive Jazz, it's out there.
If another wants electronic Samba, it's out there.
Shoot, at this point, a teenager in central Kentucky (Middle of the US) can develop an extensive collection of traditional Japanese music if they want.

My point is that the internet has opened up so many possibilities.  'Popular' music, or at least the stuff that is played on the radio is becoming less and less relevant as technologically savvy kids are able to branch out further and further to the music that moves them, rather than what they're forced to listen to on mainstream radio.

Ivan, how are you doing this that you can present us great story all the time ? It's very interesting to read them.

And to this topic: I like prog rock. Symphonic mostly, but I like classic rock also. And heavy rock. And old The Beatles. I even listen to soundtracks (which isn't nothing bad), like John Williams and Medievil soundtrack (Andrew Barnabas & Paul Arnold) - it's game from 99 (I think), game of my youth.

I can listen occasionally to old pop too (from 60s, or 70s), to the so called enemy of rock music from 70s.

OK, I must agree that even then, rock music wasn't mainstream. But look at the most famous pop-rock band, The Beatles. Aren't they the best commercial success in history of music ? Imagine one song by The Beatles, I'm sure you will know at least one. They're just too famous notto be known. Can you say it about any other band ? Well, OK, TB aren't much prog, only little bit.

But what I'm trying to say is that hop-hop music is bad. Be honest and tell me one good thing about it. It has some similarity with Mars Volta for me (please,  don't beat me, I'll explain) and one big difference.

SIM-I'm not able to listen to both of them, 

DIF-Hop hop has nothing to offer, except wanabee singers, repetitive music (which isn't music at all), shocking lyrics which are shocking because they has nothing to offer - so they have to shock you to make you stop thinking about their meaning.

           The Mars Volta on the other hand is one of the best bands from recent times. Even I don't like them I must agree this. It's like this book, So Zarathustra said (by Friedrich Nietzsche), one of the hardest books to read. I wasn't able to read even first few pages, but yet I know it's good book. So I admire it a little bit and hope one day I'll be able to understand it and get thru this shield.

OK? What has Ry-haha-na to offer ? Even as a girl she's ugly as hell and her singing is much worse. And these 50 cent and others, this is not good.

I used to listen groove music a little bit, first reggae records, it was quite good. But hop hop is not.

I'm going to make a very generalized assumption - the hip hop / R & B / and new pop you know is limited to the stuff you hear on the Radio, or see on TV.
That would be like thinking that all prog today is like Tool, Mars Volta, or Porcupine Tree. or if you're in the U.K., add Pendragon.

Hip Hop - Public Enemy, Lauryn Hill, K-Os (from Canada), the Beastie Boys, the Roots and many more that don't show up on any charts but have solid careers, and much good music - for their genre.
R & B - that is a dying genre, mostly replaced by Dance & Urban. But there is still some good music out there - Bettye Lavette's latest with the Drive-By Truckers. Like much prog, you gotta know where to find it. IT's out there.
New Pop - although not to my taste - Jason Mraz, John Mayer. You might want to see what is considered Pop nowadays. Pop Punk - Green Day ! Pop Country has some decent acts. And while I don't care for the Jonas Brothers, my daughter loves them, and having had to listen to their albums, I can seriously say that for music that is aimed at Tweens, it's well made. Just remember that much Pop, like prog falls into obscurity. The best keeps getting played & re-played years later. Just like prog.

OH, and in a bald faced attempt to promote an old favourtie of mine, check out these 20 year old rap song from the Dream Warriors
Ludi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrjeAQDk9Gs
My Definition of a Boombastic Jazz Style : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqBgMlE_ng (not the original video, unfortunately. If this sampling of Quincy Jones "Soul Bossa Nova" doesn't get your ass moving, you're dead - "bags of mostly water search to find my definition" )

Shuffle Demons - a jazz fusion doing a rap song - Spadina Bus : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZnLjRi_g9o
Public Enemy : played Coachella 2009 .
Oh, and you may want to ask Max Roach about his view of how Rap relates  to his work in jazz