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Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: June 01 2009 at 08:30 |
Something I've been appreciating a bit more about Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso's Darwin! (at the moment, probably my favourite RPI album - and a note for anyone with the rather excellent spotify... you can find on there a Patrizio Fariselli album taking on Area tracks with solo piano... fantastic stuff) is the way Francesco Di Giacomo shapes those words and the relationship between the words and the music... yes, hearing the plain music in combination with the title is fantastic, but looking at the lyrics and semi-translating them (I.e. got a translation, refer to it when stuck... my Latin's just about good enough to bludgeon through some of the pieces) has given a bit more enjoyment to the album...
Well, just throwing that out as someone who really enjoys the vocal aspects of progressive rock... looking into the meanings behind those vocals heightens rather than damaging my enjoyment of the music. /blandpointlesspostetc. And yeah, some more RPI reviews should be issuing forth from my direction soon |
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 01 2009 at 10:02 |
Jay, that album is in my top 5 RPI, maybe number 1 if you put a gun to my head and made me pick one. It's the album that got me into RPI, the essence of the warm, romantic sound of pianos and violins.
See the video below of the kid getting into that album
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jimmy_row
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2007 Location: Hibernation Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: June 01 2009 at 14:42 |
...my avie doesn't lie!!
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Raff
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Posted: June 01 2009 at 14:53 |
Ryan, do you know that Ubi Maior's new album has been released? According to the review I read on MovimentiProg, it is a masterpiece - inspired by Neil Gaiman's work too.
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 01 2009 at 19:05 |
You got that right.....let's give these people the full deal.......listen to this beauty and tell me your heart doesn't yearn for RPI......ahhhhhh |
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 02 2009 at 17:58 |
LA STATALE 17 / EMPHASIS 3.5 Stars From italianprog.com: “These bands from near Bozen are always mentioned together due to their only release, a very rare split album released by a small local label in Alto Adige in 1978. La Statale 17 had some interesting jazz-inspired guitar parts in their tracks on side 1, Emphasis have some Genesis influences in their tracks, though the keyboards sound is rather thin and the overall recording quality is far from perfect.” This was one of my finds in the Mellow sale. I hadn’t heard of these bands, and I was very pleasantly surprised! I especially like EMPHASIS. Both sound somewhat similar to SENSITIVA IMMAGINE to my ears, but that may be the “rather thin” keyboard sound. LA STATALE 17’s best song is “Miracolo,” which is probably their most complex song. As Croce mentions, they are a slightly jazz inflected instrumental quartet. All the songs use keyboards more as sound textures (which are very appealing) rather than lead instruments, allowing solos to be taken by the guitar—only occasionally do they reverse roles. Bass and drums are often interesting, though the presence of several mistakes gives this a live quality which I find charming. EMPHASIS is more symphonic, with more complex arrangements and creative use of instruments. The English vocals are decent and don’t detract from the overall excellent quality of the music. “Eternal Dreams” has some nice Genesis-like passages, with acoustic guitar, flute, and keyboard strings. So I’m very happy with my find! I give EMPHASIS four stars and LA STATALE 17 three, with an average of 3.5. (But since they’re not on PA, I don’t have to worry about the half star system!) Bravo! |
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 02 2009 at 18:08 |
Todd, cool.....my favorite Mellow find so far is Stefano Testa....I'm going to start working on that addition right now....and its at least 4 stars.
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 02 2009 at 18:12 |
And another one I need courtesy of the JDsinkaTree
Napoli Centrale Napoli Centrale Jazz Rock/Fusion
Review by
sinkadotentree
Drummer Franco Del Prete and sax player James Senese both from Napoli Italy had played
together in a band previous to this playing pop music.They decided to go in a completely
different direction(jazz) in 1975 adding Americam keyboardist Mike Harris and British bass
player Toni Walmsley. I think WEATHER REPORT would be the closest reference but there is
a definite Italian flavour here.I have to thank Todd for the recommendation.This took longer to
get into then i thought it would, but now i'm hooked big time.I can just imagine sitting in a bar
in Napoli Italy watching these guys play in the mid seventies with Todd,Jim and Thomas.The
place would be hazy with smoke and the smell of spilled beer as NAPOLI CENTRALE offer up
there own special blend of fun,experimental and mind blowing jazz.It would have been too
much fun.
"Campagna" was actually a minor hit for the band in their home country of Italy.It's led by
electric piano and sax early(some flute too) while the drumming is very intricate and
presice.Spoken words a minute in and then the tempo picks up.Vocals come in as
piano,drums amd sax stand out.Wer'e grooving now,just jamming away.The instrumental
work is fantastic! "A Gente E Bucciano" opens with sax but settles quickly and i'm thinking
WEATHER REPORT.Some atmosphere in this one.Vocals start to lead the way then
piano,drums and bass support.Sax comes in when the vocals stop.Love the piano/drum
section that follows.Sax is back! This is great! Vocals return late.Great tune. "Pensione
Floridiana" is led by smooth sax,prominant bass and electric piano.The drums are light until
about 2 minutes in when they dominate trading off with the sax. "Viecchie,Mugliere,Muorte E
Criaturi" has this cool intro that's a little dissonant then it becomes catchy with sax and vocals
sharing the spotlight.This is my favourite track on here.Drums and piano lead 2 1/2 minutes in
then the sax comes in ripping it up then the vocalist takes a turn.10 minutes of hypnotic
bliss.Thomas rushes up to the bar for another round(he speaks Italian). "Vico Primo Parise
N.8" has an excellent uptempo soundscape of sax,drums,bass and e-piano.So much going
on with all these intricate sounds coming and going and intertwining.Some crazy sax and
vocals late. "O Lupo S'ha Mangiato 'a Pecurella" is laid back with outbursts of sax and electric
piano ealy.It turns a little melancholic as the sax takes a more prominant role.The last section
sounds like a party with laughing and yelling.Or is that just Todd and Jim.No it's actually the
band having too much fun.It does end with music though.I'm just sad it ends.
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 02 2009 at 18:13 |
Jim, I'm with you--4 stars! I was going to do that one next! But I will await Stefano's entry into PA and your always stellar review. Then I'll just act as your cheering section and say, "Yeah--what he said!"
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 03 2009 at 20:44 |
Palepoli Osanna Rock Progressivo Italiano
Review by
clarke2001
When I finished listening to this record, I didn't know should I laugh or smash my head against a wall or...what? This is, my friends, humanity. This is one of those moments when pathetic little creatures that evolved from the monkeys actually show to the all living creatures, or ,other nature, or God or some alien observers, you name it, how brave, how daring human attempts in expressing themselves may be. No matter the type of the art - some subset of music which is a set of sounds for or ears anyway, or oainting or whatever - but sometimes you just feel the power and sincerity behind and you don't need a degree in art to write a comparative review, because who cares? "Palepoli" starts with calm yet moody, authentic Italian folk theme depicting the all things ancient and terranean (Mediterranean if you want) ,when a cross-fade introduces us to the lust of the pure musical debauchery and palette beyond the scope one can perceptualize within one listening. Sudden changes from brutal, I mean brutal riffs and hooks will instantly collapse - like 20 ton truck hitting the rock - into a pace of grounded calmness, disillusioning our brain impression in it's shallowness, but instantly slapping the depths of the very same brain with dark impression behind the even darker curtains. All that underlined with mellow Italian vocals and lovely acoustic guitar parts - parallely bouncing the melody with flute that couldn't care less it's duties to a more conservative musical approach. Yes, it could be only Italian music. If you ever, ever felt your soul is full to the very edge of your tear-filling eyes by listening to Banco or PFM, not because of their skill or cunning ideas, but simply because of the beauty itself, then stick to me when I tell you this one is not the opposite - although it will tear your guts out the very next moment. Or perhaps make you die in a horrifying lust of gold melted and poured into your mouth, as it was used to be done centuries ago. If you take, for example, a guitar solo - oh how I hate the analysis at this moment - you can't resist of agonizing and playful at the same time, I should say, spastic feeling of one who's performing the music, of the instrument itself, and of the listener. On the very next beat, a new layer of equally spastic guitar is added, this time in thirds, it's a good old rockin' trick, but would they stop there? No. They have no shame, in the third beat, the new layer will appear, and the new one, and the new one, Brian May wouldn't dare to do it, a new one, you start asking yourself how dare they and will they ever stop? but of course, you're enjoying it...along with the drum stampedo - I mean stampedo of buffaloes compares to this like an ant circus. Like that's not enough, you will get a mind-blowing dosage of schizophrenic steaming flute that can not be compared to the entire volume of condensed air that went mutilated through that instrument in all output of Tull and Focus. Seriously. And when you think you can't stand any more, there's a nice, calm, majestic, psychedelic tapestry with a saxophone solo on the top. Van Der Graaf Generator? Or one of the most daring "Shine On" moments? You're already absorbed, assimilated: this album is big as life. And I didn't even mentioned the best part, which sound nothing like you ever heard before, because it came from the worst nightmare defined in raping, tearing of Hammond organ, guitars...and THE ENTIRE BAND ...through the Ring Modulator effect, the one that's skewing the frequencies. This is tedious. Because it's not an autopsy of a record, it's an autopsy of a listener. So I wouldn't even dare to start building a new layer about overall coherence, artistic expression, unique ideas. If anyone manages to do it, it will be a masterpiece...mirroring this one. But I'll throw down my virtual pen and recommend this thing to live with it or to die with it. Deep breath. Good night my dear reader, thanks for staying with me. |
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 03:47 |
And yes... 'Palepoli' is not only an album but also a lifestyle!
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Todd
Special Collaborator RPI / Heavy Prog Team Joined: December 19 2007 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 3472 |
Posted: June 05 2009 at 17:16 |
As I slowly make my way through them, here are my impressions so far:
STEFANO TESTA - Una Vita - 4.5 stars (what a find! full review to come)
GARDEN WALL - Forget the Colours - 2 stars (prog metal not my thing--I was hoping for a slightly symph slant!)
DORACOR - Transizione - 4 stars (I didn't think I'd like it as much as I do!)
MINDFLOWER - Mindfloater - 4 stars (ditto)
ALPHATAURUS - Dietro L'Urugano - 3.5 stars (great music, no vocals, weak production--just imagine what this could have become!)
NUVOLE DI PAGLIA - And Then... - 3 stars (last 4 tracks are great, first 6 are okay - this is the original singer and bassist, apparently reworking some early songs and throwing in some others. There's a hard rock emphasis with some prog slant, especially the last 4 songs.)
MAURY E I PRONOMI - (Ec)citazioni Neoclassiche - 3 stars (90's with 70's orientation. I thought I'd like this one more. Still good though, could be a grower)
I SANTONI - Noi - 2 stars (pop with just a hint of prog; pleasant, nothing more)
MUSEO ROSENBACH - Rare and Unreleased - 3.5 stars (great music, demos from one of my favorite albums of all time, with some throwaway live covers)
LA STATALE 17 / EMPHASIS - Rock Scene - 3.5 stars (see my earlier post/review)
LA SECONDA GENESI - Tutto Deve Finire - 3.5 stars (Italian jazz rock with some hard rock/flute from 1972, really good stuff!)
NEMESI - Nova Mala Strana - 2.5 stars (I thought I'd like this one more. Theatrical vocals are a bit much for my taste)
That's all for now!
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Raff
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Posted: June 05 2009 at 17:36 |
Personally, I don't think Italian bands do prog-metal very well, especially the more 'traditional' type. I've listened to a couple of bands that play PM, but it feels in some way contrived, as if it didn't really 'belong' to them (which, of course, is true - Italy has never had a big heavy metal tradition, at least as regards originality of sound).
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 05 2009 at 23:01 |
Finnforest
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Posted: June 09 2009 at 09:20 |
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Per Viam
Antonius Rex Rock Progressivo Italiano
Review by
Finnforest
— First review of this album —
A legend returns in 2009
Incredibly, the legend of Antonius Rex continues strong with a new album 40 years after the first Jacula release in 1969. "Per Viam" is the new studio album from Antonio Bartoccetti and Doris Norton picking up where 2006's "Switch on Dark" left off. The long running husband/wife compositional team is joined this time out by drummer Florian Gorman, medium Monika Tasnad, and their son Rexanthony. Along with "Switch," the pair is at the top of their game, producing the most exciting music they have made since the early 1970s. The darkness remains of course but the sound is almost post-modern, pushing the boundaries with a mixture of styles and textures that make them hard to compartmentalize. The moods and feelings invoked by self-proclaimed "Mysticdrug for the next generation" are always in conflict: fear and darkness in one moment, and a strange calming peace in the next. They are certainly a much different trip than the "next big thing" release proclaimed by the big prog sites and should appeal to those fans who always claim to be looking for something different. Rex proves that simple melodies and hooks can be just as satisfying to proggers than a bunch of avant manic thrashing. For those who know only the 1970s Jacula/Rex sound, the modern Antonius Rex is very much updated but also holds dear a bit of the traditional sounds. Their last two albums feature mixtures of high energy, industrial-techno rock with traditional symphonic piano, synth, and organ melodies. Add in vocals that can be either spoken word or sung, male, female, or choirs, and you have a sound that is rich, luxurious, sensual, decadent, and yes.....very dark. "Per Viam" overall seems to have a bit more bite than "Switch." Whereas "Switch" seemed to have sections with beguiling melodies sung by females and accompanied by piano, "Per Viam" has more crunching SG guitar, more male vocals, a bit more venom. Think of taking the proto-Goth organ and mystic vocals of Jacula but injecting it with some Nine Inch Nails attitude. "Micro Demons" opens the album with a monstrous, sludgy chords and the horrific screams of actual demons bringing you face to face with a wraith. Soon Doris brings some nice keys in for balance. "Per Viam" is all about tension with a march style drum beat and frantic simulated strings, you feel as if you are being chased. Suddenly Antonio busts into the first of many fine solos and it is a joy to hear this man wail better than ever after all these years. He is often compared to Sabbath/Iomni by writers and I can tell you he is every bit as talented as Tony is, conveying great darkness with his chords and knocking out some nasty good solos. "Woman of the King" is our first chance to catch our breath, a lovely 9 minute elaboration of keyboard soundscapes by Doris. Soon the loveliness is crushed by the ever present darkness lurking around every corner, here we can hear some unfortunate soul meeting what sounds like an awful demise to Antonio's narration. From there it moves into a steamy metal section with good chugging, heavy drumming and choirs over female gasps....getting a bit Therion here....hell yeah!! "Spectra" is typical Rex sound vision with lots of effects and some hyper-metal soloing by Antonio over various beats. "Angels and Demons" would be the easy choice for a single, a beautifully constructed track with many layers: choir-vocals over heavy guitar riffs alternating with acoustic guitar and piano. For the last two tracks the album shifts gears and looks to the past. First, we are treated to a remake of Jacula's "UFDEM" which reminds me all over again why I LOVE the voice of Doris Norton. God she sings beautifully. Here the original 1972 vocal is given the pure heavy metal treatment with loud guitar. I much prefer the original arrangement to be honest, but I'd listen to Doris no matter the circumstances. Then we have an interesting 11 minute piece fully titled "Antonius Rex Prophecy: Tiring original prophecy 1948:61st Anniversary Edition." Hmmm....since Charles Tiring has been dead for years, his writing credit here is presumably for an old idea. Although if anyone could arrange to work with a dead man, it would be Antonio, so perhaps he was channeled. The track is a long narration by Antonio over serene keyboards and some guitar in parts, a more peaceful ending to the album. The final closing guitar solo by Antonio is simply beautiful and majestic. Recommended to any fan of dark prog. A bonus CD-ROM video of "Micro Demons" is included, and the even better video for "Angels and Demons" can be viewed at their website. The tri-fold digipak design comes with wonderful artwork, the cover art is among their most memorable ever. This album and "Switch on Dark" are easy recommendations for anyone wishing to sample the modern Rex. I certainly hope this is not the last we hear from this duo who seem to be experiencing a renaissance of creativity. |
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jimmy_row
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2007 Location: Hibernation Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: June 09 2009 at 15:27 |
It sounds very interesting from your review, Jim. Before long I'll have to put together a list of good RPI albums from this year...the new Delirium is another one I'd heard a lot about. Antonius Rex is one of them I haven't tried yet, do you think the new album is good to start with or would a newbie need to hear the old ones for context?
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 09 2009 at 18:16 |
I've been waiting for your review on this one sir.....good job!!
Posted Tuesday, June 09, 2009, 16:33 EST | Review Permalink | Submit a review for this album Il Tempo Della Gioia Quella Vecchia Locanda Rock Progressivo Italiano
Review by
Negoba
Quella Vecchia Locanda's Il Tempo Della Gioia is the first RPI album I will review, because it is simply one of the best pickups I've had since coming to the Prog Archives. Although I am a relative RPI newbie, I have actually sampled a fair bit of Italian Prog on internet radio, and even purchased one album by Le Orme prior to ordering this one. But despite the language and unlike other Italian works, this album's brilliance transcends its genre. Played alongside Genesis, Anglagard, Yes, or King Crimson, this album easily holds up. It is simply brilliant and should have a place in any prog library. After making some pretty hefty claims, a little justification seems in order. First of all, this band is true symphonic rock, that is, a fusion of rock and classical music. Many, if not all, of the musicians are classically trained in both performance and composition. The primary instruments are piano, violin, flute, clarinet over a traditional electric bass and trapset rhythm section. There is actually a little electric guitar, but it is a minor voice in the mix. Still, there is clearly plenty of rock emotion in this music, plenty of experimentation, and large doses of dynamic risk-taking. The compositional component is what sets this above so many others like it. The choral voices are extremely complex. The interweaving lines of the winds are orchestrated better than any other album of its kind. Like Anglagard or Larks' Tongues KC, dissonance, shading, and use of space is abundant. QVL use so many different colors and sounds, there are surprises and novel sonic experiences up until the very end of the (too short) album. The final track is simply astounding. These aren't rockers or amateurs dabbling in more complex music. These are professionally trained players making music that crosses into rock. I found this album by asking for suggestions for the most symphonic, that is, classically influenced and meticulously composed, albums in prog. I got tips that became a list of amazing albums. This one is the best. Given the fact that I believe that the fusion of classical music and prog is one of the pillars of what prog is, I believe this album not only belongs among our list of masterpiece albums, but among the elites like Hybris, Si Avait, and Larks' Tongues. |
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: June 09 2009 at 18:44 |
I have no idea how this album isn't the #1 RPI album and in the top 20 overall. It's really amazing, and the 2 star ratings are just....
The review pretty much says what I've got....the three albums I mentioned have some similarities and are all giants, deservedly so. The QVL album is probably better than all three. The negative reviews I've read say something to the effect of "too soft" "too classical" what is that? I don't rate Opeth down because there's not enough sax or harmonica. I also don't get "soft" from the album at all. Certainly sections, but it's called dynamics. Oh well. I get to enjoy it and that's the main thing. Maybe my review and the other very enthusiastic ones will bring some others to this gem.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: June 09 2009 at 20:15 |
@ Jay: You got me bro. I don't know why it isn't more popular. As you know, I whine all the time about how 5 stars should be reserved for about the top 5% of albums, the real masterpiece in the strictest definition of the word. And i think its a 5 star album.....but there are lots of naysayers. But yeah, the "too soft" and "too classical" charges are pretty hilarious when you stop and think about it.
@ Ryan my buddy: Whew....that's hard. You like old stuff better than new stuff, so if I were you I'd get Black Widow's anniversary digi of the 2nd Jacula album (don't get the old Mellow issue). Jacula is more in the old RPI vein and the BW issue has killer sound + an important bonus track. For Rex, it depends again if you want 70s sound or today. If 70s, go for the first Rex album which is more or less like Jacula. For the post 1980 Rex, their second sound period, Switch and Per Viam are equally good. Go with Switch for a more feminine and keyboard sound, go for Per Viam for a more mascular and guitar crunch sound. I don't mean that in a sexist way, its just that Doris had more presence on Switch and there are more female vocals....Antonio had more presence on Per Viam, both vocals and guitar. I know you wanted me to suggest one album, that's the best I can do!!! I'm a fan |
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jimmy_row
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2007 Location: Hibernation Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: June 10 2009 at 10:51 |
thanks Jimbo, I'll try to remember all that next time I'm filling in some empty spots. My impression of Jacula (I've heard the whole thing a couple times) is it's a great album but somewhat of a "mood" album...something you play only every so often. Great on Halloween for sure!
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