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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:11
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

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Why not just kill everyone? No people alive? no more people to get cancer. I've said this before, but it is a flawless plan.

When's the last time you saw a corpse complaining of cancer? How many dead children ever came up to you begging for food? 
You need to watch the History Channel program "Life After People".


History Channel.

Program about the future.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:11
Rico! Hug

Damn. That sucks. Ouch

Why?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:12
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I don't go to doctors often because I don't need to pay money to be told "You're overweight and you drink too much beer and eat too much pizza, lard ass."  LOL


LOL

I don't either, but that's because I'm a skeptic.

Well I don't go often because I rarely get sick. Unlike you skeptics and fatsos. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:12
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Worst day ever.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:13
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Denying a child life-saving medical care is evil.

What if religious parents said, "Well, food is evil.  We don't need any of that.  The Spirit of Cthulu will sustain us."


Ermm


Again, not an apt comparison.

Chemotherapy BREAKS DOWN a person; ineffective medical care is NOT the same as basic survival needs, I'm sorry, that's just common sense.

It is innate in our survival skills that food is necessary for people to live, and that would qualify as starving a child. I would agree then that the parents are being stupid and something needs to be done---when something as essential as that is purposefully being taken away.

Cancer is unfortunate, but because it seems to be caused by just about ANYTHING and because our treatment methods are not effective, I believe that is not denying someone a survival right.

In fact, I would much rather live on not knowing I had cancer than find out I have cancer and get tons of half-assed treatments for it. Part of the reason people die from cancer is because of the treatments, another part is because of a mental loss (loss of a will to fight, depression, etc.), and another part is the actual disease.


f**k that.

I want to live.


I love how you addressed my points.

I'm extremely skeptical when it comes to cancer treatment at this stage in the game, and I'm skeptical in the idea of going to someone else to figure out what's wrong with your own body. Manipulation and misdiagnoses happen all the time, unfortunately.

Not all doctors are like that, and I'm glad some actually know what they're doing, but I think the reliance on medical treatment that people are being raised on in this society is bordering on ridiculous.

"Let's go to the doctor every time something appears to be wrong with me and have everyone else pay for it!" Confused


I don't go to the doctor often at all.  But I'm smart enough to know that years of experience and medical school makes most physicians more qualified to tell me about what's going on with me.

You act like you know more about the inner-workings of your body than someone else because it's yours.  That's simply not true.


I never said I know more. Now with the internet and tons of books, there are endless possibilities to find out medical information. What's wrong with self-diagnosis? Then you have the advantage of knowing exactly what you are feeling, and you can have the opinions of many different people rather than just one.


It's bloody difficult to diagnose something medical accurately if you don't have A) experience and training over a long period, B) context for that information you've got off the already unpredictable internet. So, for instance, you could assume symptoms are an illness which basically doesn't exist in your area, or maybe assume something's more serious than it is. Basically, there's a reason doctors go through all that damn training.

According to a medically informed friend of mine, medical students are the worst in terms of self-diagnosis and hypochondria, because they have the knowledge, but not the experience to relate that knowledge to its context and create a reasonable diagnosis. Simply put, doctors are medical professionals, not randomers. If you don't trust a doctor, head for a second opinion.

Quote If chemotherapy was better, I'd feel much more confident in that... but it still doesn't seem right to me to force parents to have a child evaluated for taking chemo purely based on the subjective opinion of someone else. They say whether it'll be necessary or not, and then the parents HAVE to oblige, and that doesn't seem right.

It's much more common sense that a child could die in a car accident, and it's a different scenario.


Well, no. It's a medically informed professional's view, and it's just as reasonable to say someone can die from cancer as from a car accident.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:13
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why not just kill everyone? No people alive? no more people to get cancer. I've said this before, but it is a flawless plan.

When's the last time you saw a corpse complaining of cancer? How many dead children ever came up to you begging for food? 
You need to watch the History Channel program "Life After People".


The Hitler Channel.

Program about the Second World War.

Fixed. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:14
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why not just kill everyone? No people alive? no more people to get cancer. I've said this before, but it is a flawless plan.

When's the last time you saw a corpse complaining of cancer? How many dead children ever came up to you begging for food? 
You need to watch the History Channel program "Life After People".


History Channel.

Program about the future.
There is a certain irony to that, isn't there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:14
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How is Russian Circles, Raff, have you heard it yet?


I'm curious because I've heard about them alot and I wonder if I should get it.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Worst day ever.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:15
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Why not just kill everyone? No people alive? no more people to get cancer. I've said this before, but it is a flawless plan.

When's the last time you saw a corpse complaining of cancer? How many dead children ever came up to you begging for food? 
You need to watch the History Channel program "Life After People".

Or read The Road by Cormac McCarthyWink


I've tried to read that book about a dozen times.  Each time I nod off at about the tenth page.  The writing is horrible.

The lack of quotation marks are also off-putting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:16
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Rico! Hug

Damn. That sucks. Ouch

Why?


The gig I had to do, of which I told you the previous days, turned out to be a fiasco. A sort of etno concert by some Aromanians, in which I and few other musicians from the Conservatoire were forced asked to complement, with some classical music playin'.

But that just didn't fit. It was embarassing to watch the whole rubbish spectacle, and then try to please the fans of that with a different kind of music.

And the organizers didn't tell us from the start what was the event. I thought it was something literary, that needed some relaxing music in between reading essays and debating, from what I've been vaguely told initially. Instead, it was commercial touring headaches-giving folk!

What was my business there? Why was I humiliated in such a way? Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:16
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Denying a child life-saving medical care is evil.

What if religious parents said, "Well, food is evil.  We don't need any of that.  The Spirit of Cthulu will sustain us."


Ermm


Again, not an apt comparison.

Chemotherapy BREAKS DOWN a person; ineffective medical care is NOT the same as basic survival needs, I'm sorry, that's just common sense.

It is innate in our survival skills that food is necessary for people to live, and that would qualify as starving a child. I would agree then that the parents are being stupid and something needs to be done---when something as essential as that is purposefully being taken away.

Cancer is unfortunate, but because it seems to be caused by just about ANYTHING and because our treatment methods are not effective, I believe that is not denying someone a survival right.

In fact, I would much rather live on not knowing I had cancer than find out I have cancer and get tons of half-assed treatments for it. Part of the reason people die from cancer is because of the treatments, another part is because of a mental loss (loss of a will to fight, depression, etc.), and another part is the actual disease.


f**k that.

I want to live.


I love how you addressed my points.

I'm extremely skeptical when it comes to cancer treatment at this stage in the game, and I'm skeptical in the idea of going to someone else to figure out what's wrong with your own body. Manipulation and misdiagnoses happen all the time, unfortunately.

Not all doctors are like that, and I'm glad some actually know what they're doing, but I think the reliance on medical treatment that people are being raised on in this society is bordering on ridiculous.

"Let's go to the doctor every time something appears to be wrong with me and have everyone else pay for it!" Confused


I don't go to the doctor often at all.  But I'm smart enough to know that years of experience and medical school makes most physicians more qualified to tell me about what's going on with me.

You act like you know more about the inner-workings of your body than someone else because it's yours.  That's simply not true.


I never said I know more. Now with the internet and tons of books, there are endless possibilities to find out medical information. What's wrong with self-diagnosis? Then you have the advantage of knowing exactly what you are feeling, and you can have the opinions of many different people rather than just one.


It's bloody difficult to diagnose something medical accurately if you don't have A) experience and training over a long period, B) context for that information you've got off the already unpredictable internet. So, for instance, you could assume symptoms are an illness which basically doesn't exist in your area, or maybe assume something's more serious than it is. Basically, there's a reason doctors go through all that damn training.

According to a medically informed friend of mine, medical students are the worst in terms of self-diagnosis and hypochondria, because they have the knowledge, but not the experience to relate that knowledge to its context and create a reasonable diagnosis. Simply put, doctors are medical professionals, not randomers. If you don't trust a doctor, head for a second opinion.

Quote If chemotherapy was better, I'd feel much more confident in that... but it still doesn't seem right to me to force parents to have a child evaluated for taking chemo purely based on the subjective opinion of someone else. They say whether it'll be necessary or not, and then the parents HAVE to oblige, and that doesn't seem right.

It's much more common sense that a child could die in a car accident, and it's a different scenario.


Well, no. It's a medically informed professional's view, and it's just as reasonable to say someone can die from cancer as from a car accident.


Refer to every single post I've said about the subject if you want to know my feelings; I don't feel like typing any more posts about it anymore right now, sorry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:16
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Worst day ever.


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Aw,thanks Raff! Hug
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I see a TD quiz was made.

I have to ask, is it more band-trivia-related, or music/albums-related, cause if the first, I wanna take a bit more time and polish my knowledge in the member's bio and stuff.

After all, who knows what question about Froese's dental hygiene might arise...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:18
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Rico! Hug

Damn. That sucks. Ouch

Why?


The gig I had to do, of which I told you the previous days, turned out to be a fiasco. A sort of etno concert by some Aromanians, in which I and few other musicians from the Conservatoire were forced asked to complement, with some classical music playin'.

But that just didn't fit. It was embarassing to watch the whole rubbish spectacle, and then try to please the fans of that with a different kind of music.

And the organizers didn't tell us from the start what was the event. I thought it was something literary, that needed some relaxing music in between reading essays and debating, from what I've been vaguely told initially. Instead, it was commercial touring headaches-giving folk!

What was my business there? Why was I humiliated in such a way? Dead


That sucks. Dead

Sorry to hear that, man. Was it as bad as the Season 5 Lost finale though, or should I not bring that Anti-Locke bullsh*t up? Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:18
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Rico! Hug

Damn. That sucks. Ouch

Why?


The gig I had to do, of which I told you the previous days, turned out to be a fiasco. A sort of etno concert by some Aromanians, in which I and few other musicians from the Conservatoire were forced asked to complement, with some classical music playin'.

But that just didn't fit. It was embarassing to watch the whole rubbish spectacle, and then try to please the fans of that with a different kind of music.

And the organizers didn't tell us from the start what was the event. I thought it was something literary, that needed some relaxing music in between reading essays and debating, from what I've been vaguely told initially. Instead, it was commercial touring headaches-giving folk!

What was my business there? Why was I humiliated in such a way? Dead

That sucks, dude. Sorry to hear that it didn't go well.

Why did they not tell you what was really going on?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:19
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I see a TD quiz was made.

I have to ask, is it more band-trivia-related, or music/albums-related, cause if the first, I wanna take a bit more time and polish my knowledge in the member's bio and stuff.

After all, who knows what question about Froese's dental hygiene might arise...Wink


More based on music/albums, I would say. Though I don't want to steer you wrong.

I can tell you for sure, however, that there was not a question on Froese's dental hygiene. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:22

Raff, Please give Mick my condolences for the Capitals' loss.  We might have had some fun trash talking each other if both of our teams had made the finals.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:22
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Rico! Hug

Damn. That sucks. Ouch

Why?


The gig I had to do, of which I told you the previous days, turned out to be a fiasco. A sort of etno concert by some Aromanians, in which I and few other musicians from the Conservatoire were forced asked to complement, with some classical music playin'.

But that just didn't fit. It was embarassing to watch the whole rubbish spectacle, and then try to please the fans of that with a different kind of music.

And the organizers didn't tell us from the start what was the event. I thought it was something literary, that needed some relaxing music in between reading essays and debating, from what I've been vaguely told initially. Instead, it was commercial touring headaches-giving folk!

What was my business there? Why was I humiliated in such a way? Dead

That sucks, dude. Sorry to hear that it didn't go well.

Why did they not tell you what was really going on?


Because they didn't get the full picture. They just replied to the invitation, talked to my teacher, who then summoned me along. Angry

How can you be so irresponsable that you combine a folk-sh*tty presentation with a classical music short recital? How?!

After the guests finished their playback-demonstration, they wanted to go have dinner. Even they had no idea we were there to perform something, let alone the audience.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:25
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

I see a TD quiz was made.

I have to ask, is it more band-trivia-related, or music/albums-related, cause if the first, I wanna take a bit more time and polish my knowledge in the member's bio and stuff.

After all, who knows what question about Froese's dental hygiene might arise...Wink


More based on music/albums, I would say. Though I don't want to steer you wrong.

I can tell you for sure, however, that there was not a question on Froese's dental hygiene. LOL


Okay, I'll try it later. I'm just not optimistic on my knowledge, especially after the last quiz. LOL
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