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Alitare

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:35

Henry Plainview wrote:

Alitare wrote:

Trans-Siberian Orchestra...

There is no such thing as good Christmas music.

That's why they have Beethoven's Last Night.

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:40

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:46

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:48

Phallus Dei was pretty good, but not OMG AMAZING good. I can definitely see myself listening to it again.

Time for Mike Oldfield now.

rushfan4

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:50

On whose part. The government's or the parents. I think I would much rather go the route with 90% chance of survival over the route with 5% survival. And nothing makes me cringe more than stupid decisions made based on religious beliefs.

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:51

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:51

How can you have a bunch of bullsh*t?

Surely a load of bullsh*t is easier?

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 14:57

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

The decision.

I innately oppose nearly any decision that involves force like that.

rushfan4

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:02

To an extent I agree, but sometimes when parents are being so blatently stupid in the care of their children the government needs to step in.

KoS

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:02

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

The decision.

I innately oppose nearly any decision that involves force like that.

If a child is denied treatment by the parents, doesn't that fall under child abuse or child endangerment?

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:02

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

The decision.

I innately oppose nearly any decision that involves force like that.

Like the millions of people who are sentenced to prison for murder?

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:08

rushfan4 wrote:

To an extent I agree, but sometimes when parents are being so blatently stupid in the care of their children the government needs to step in.

They may be making a decision which isn't entirely informed, but I still entirely disagree with it. You can't force someone to take chemotherapy.

If I had cancer, I would rather die.

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:08

Denying a child life-saving medical care is evil.

What if religious parents said, "Well, food is evil. We don't need any of that. The Spirit of Cthulu will sustain us."

Ermm

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:09

KoS wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

The decision.

I innately oppose nearly any decision that involves force like that.

If a child is denied treatment by the parents, doesn't that fall under child abuse or child endangerment?

When chemotherapy is as ineffective as it is now, no.

When it becomes better in the future, perhaps.

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:10

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

KoS wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

58 page ruling? Who the hell was the judge? The Hon. Stephen King?

What a bunch of bullsh*t. Angry

What is, the judge's decision, or the parent's belief that hibiscus leaves cure cancer?

The decision.

I innately oppose nearly any decision that involves force like that.

Like the millions of people who are sentenced to prison for murder?

That's an absurd comparison and has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:11

MovingPictures07 wrote:

rushfan4 wrote:

To an extent I agree, but sometimes when parents are being so blatently stupid in the care of their children the government needs to step in.

They may be making a decision which isn't entirely informed, but I still entirely disagree with it. You can't force someone to take chemotherapy.

If I had cancer, I would rather die.

You can't force someone who is an adult.

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

KoS

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:11

MovingPictures07 wrote:

When chemotherapy is as ineffective as it is now, no.

When it becomes better in the future, perhaps.

It's one of the only options left for cancer patients. Two of my friends have had family members that have survived cancer because of chemo. Yes, it's not efficient, but doing nothing is not an option.

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:12

It's stupid that the parents won't try to treat their son's illness through chemotherapy, but no one has the right to tell them what to do or what not to do. At least that's my feeling on it.

Epignosis

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:14

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

It's stupid that the parents won't try to treat their son's illness through chemotherapy, but no one has the right to tell them what to do or what not to do. At least that's my feeling on it.

That's evidently not true.

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

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Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:15

Epignosis wrote:

Denying a child life-saving medical care is evil.

What if religious parents said, "Well, food is evil. We don't need any of that. The Spirit of Cthulu will sustain us."

Ermm

Again, not an apt comparison.

Chemotherapy BREAKS DOWN a person; ineffective medical care is NOT the same as basic survival needs, I'm sorry, that's just common sense.

It is innate in our survival skills that food is necessary for people to live, and that would qualify as starving a child. I would agree then that the parents are being stupid and something needs to be done---when something as essential as that is purposefully being taken away.

Cancer is unfortunate, but because it seems to be caused by just about ANYTHING and because our treatment methods are not effective, I believe that is not denying someone a survival right.

In fact, I would much rather live on not knowing I had cancer than find out I have cancer and get tons of half-assed treatments for it. Part of the reason people die from cancer is because of the treatments, another part is because of a mental loss (loss of a will to fight, depression, etc.), and another part is the actual disease.