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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:24
Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:26
I don't believe anybody really believes all music is completely subjective and equal, but that's for another discussion I suppose.

And I don't get why PT is prog anymore either, but that doesn't mean you can't like the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:27
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Glad to hear it, Raff. Clap

It wasn't the same without you and Micky around here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:28
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Clap Congratulations for you and Micky! Like I said in the other thread, I'm very glad to hear that.

As you may see, I do have a different "hair-cut", do you like it?Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:29
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Very glad to hear that went well for you Hug

I'm having a bit of a what-happened-with-the-last-eighteen-years-and-why-am-I-not-even-trying-to-achieve-anything-or-really-connecting-with-anybody crisis at the moment. Teenage angst, nothing like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:30
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Clap Congratulations for you and Micky! Like I said in the other thread, I'm very glad to hear that.

As you may see, I do have a different "hair-cut", do you like it?Tongue


David Byron is made of win, btw. Just for Gypsy, because that's my favourite hard rock song ever.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:30
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Very glad to hear that went well for you Hug

I'm having a bit of a what-happened-with-the-last-eighteen-years-and-why-am-I-not-even-trying-to-achieve-anything-or-really-connecting-with-anybody crisis at the moment. Teenage angst, nothing like it.



Yeah, definitely. I know how that feels. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:31
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks
That's good! I have to imagine it would have been easier to buy one though. ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:32
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Clap Congratulations for you and Micky! Like I said in the other thread, I'm very glad to hear that.

As you may see, I do have a different "hair-cut", do you like it?Tongue


David Byron is made of win, btw. Just for Gypsy, because that's my favourite hard rock song ever.


Ahh, yeah! Though I've always found the production pretty bad, in which Gypsy as a hard rock song doesn't rock as it should be IMHO..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:34
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Clap Congratulations for you and Micky! Like I said in the other thread, I'm very glad to hear that.

As you may see, I do have a different "hair-cut", do you like it?Tongue


David Byron is made of win, btw. Just for Gypsy, because that's my favourite hard rock song ever.


Ahh, yeah! Though I've always found the production pretty bad, in which Gypsy as a hard rock song doesn't rock as it should be IMHO..


Oh, the production is lousy, haphazard and not particularly focussed. I think that's why it works for me so much. It's more about the spirit of rocking than the sound (and the truly pumping lyrics - it makes me feel more manly just listening to it). I just crank the volume up and live the piece, I'm not someone who really cares too much about production if it's not being used as a way of expression (e.g. Pawn Hearts, or Remain In Light or The Lamb...).

Edit: and that organ solo is ****ing vicious. I think the live at the BBC version is possibly better.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:39
^no, I'm not  a man of production either, In Rock's production is pretty bad too, but still it rocks like hell.

Gypsy, for me it doesn't as I suppose it had back in the 70's, however great riff....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:43
Rob you're 18!? Great, another member of the forum I'm older than...
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

^no, I'm not  a man of production either, In Rock's production is pretty bad too, but still it rocks like hell.

Gypsy, for me it doesn't as I suppose it had back in the 70's, however great riff....


Fair enough... I like raw production for some reason... I suppose it gives me a bit more of a feel that I'm making my own interpretation of the music and not just what the producer's feeding me. I mean, great production (by, say, Brian Eno) is great production and there are some albums which are increasingly becoming just a joy to listen to for that alone, but I think my definition off 'bad' production is production which doesn't, for me, mesh with the sound and ideas of the album, rather than production which clouds the exact musical content a bit.

So, for instance, I've never liked Rush's (finds better example) Jethro Tull's production after, say, 73 or so, all that much. It's perfectly nice, it just never does anything for the material other than get through the musical content, whereas, say, the early Genesis recordings, Trespass and especially Nursery Cryme are really shrouded in some sort of mystery and nice English-folklore feel from that very loose and atmospheric production.
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Rob you're 18!? Great, another member of the forum I'm older than...

 
Shocked Where did you get that from?!

oh....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:49
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Hello everyoneSmile! Mission accomplished... The physical Green Card should arrive at the Art Rock mansion in the next few weeks, but what counts is that we have been approved immediately, and without any problems. The interview itself was a formality - I think our case was very clear-cut from the beginning, one of the advantages of being older!

As I said to someone else, I feel a little bit like a deflated sack now that all the tension of the past few weeks has been finally released. Hopefully we'll be able to enjoy some peace (not to mention live prog music) before the next crisis hitsLOL.


Clap Congratulations for you and Micky! Like I said in the other thread, I'm very glad to hear that.

As you may see, I do have a different "hair-cut", do you like it?Tongue


David Byron is made of win, btw. Just for Gypsy, because that's my favourite hard rock song ever.


Ahh, yeah! Though I've always found the production pretty bad, in which Gypsy as a hard rock song doesn't rock as it should be IMHO..


Oh, the production is lousy, haphazard and not particularly focussed. I think that's why it works for me so much. It's more about the spirit of rocking than the sound (and the truly pumping lyrics - it makes me feel more manly just listening to it). I just crank the volume up and live the piece, I'm not someone who really cares too much about production if it's not being used as a way of expression (e.g. Pawn Hearts, or Remain In Light or The Lamb...).

Edit: and that organ solo is ****ing vicious. I think the live at the BBC version is possibly better.


You're a wise man.

And Raff, I'm so glad to hear everything went well Big smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:51
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Rob you're 18!? Great, another member of the forum I'm older than...


Yeah, I think so, anyway. Frankly, I think, being 18 is like being 16 but realising how embarrassing it is to have been 16. In the same way that 16 is like 14, but realising how embarrassing it was to be 14. I'm sure 20 will follow the same pattern.

Edit: I also say frankly too much when I don't really mean it. At 17 it was per se, when I didn't mean it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:53
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Rob you're 18!? Great, another member of the forum I'm older than...


Yeah, I think so, anyway. Frankly, I think, being 18 is like being 16 but realising how embarrassing it is to have been 16. In the same way that 16 is like 14, but realising how embarrassing it was to be 14. I'm sure 20 will follow the same pattern.

Edit: I also say frankly too much when I don't really mean it. At 17 it was per se, when I didn't mean it.


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I think the posters in here today need to listen to the Flower Kings. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:56
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Rob you're 18!? Great, another member of the forum I'm older than...


Yeah, I think so, anyway. Frankly, I think, being 18 is like being 16 but realising how embarrassing it is to have been 16. In the same way that 16 is like 14, but realising how embarrassing it was to be 14. I'm sure 20 will follow the same pattern.

Edit: I also say frankly too much when I don't really mean it. At 17 it was per se, when I didn't mean it.
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I think the posters in here today need to listen to the Flower Kings. Wink 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:58
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

^no, I'm not  a man of production either, In Rock's production is pretty bad too, but still it rocks like hell.

Gypsy, for me it doesn't as I suppose it had back in the 70's, however great riff....


Fair enough... I like raw production for some reason... I suppose it gives me a bit more of a feel that I'm making my own interpretation of the music and not just what the producer's feeding me. I mean, great production (by, say, Brian Eno) is great production and there are some albums which are increasingly becoming just a joy to listen to for that alone, but I think my definition off 'bad' production is production which doesn't, for me, mesh with the sound and ideas of the album, rather than production which clouds the exact musical content a bit.

So, for instance, I've never liked Rush's (finds better example) Jethro Tull's production after, say, 73 or so, all that much. It's perfectly nice, it just never does anything for the material other than get through the musical content, whereas, say, the early Genesis recordings, Trespass and especially Nursery Cryme are really shrouded in some sort of mystery and nice English-folklore feel from that very loose and atmospheric production.


I completely understand, I love Trespass' and Nursery Cryme's production for the exact thing you've said. As well as Pawn Hearts' production.

But in the case of hard rock, I've never find not-that-good prodruction something that adds mystery nor anything... I'm not expecting perfect production either, just a production that, for me of course, doesn't sound dated after many years...
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