SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: Where's my post I wrote two hours ago? It seems it was buried under 10 new pages.  What was it? About my colleagues at the Conservatory rioting.

Why?

Yeah, from their third album until Tormato, very few of Yes's songs were pop-structured.  "Long Distance Runaround" was, and so was "Wonderous Stories," but for the most part, there was almost nothing "pop" about Yes during it's classic period.

MovingPictures07 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Just by coincidence, my Dire Straits' Money for Nothing compilation CD came up in rotation this morning.  It was the first time I have heard Telegraph Road for quite some time.  I still wonder about the whole what is prog/what is not prog thing.  I agree that in essence it is just a long song, but it is basically just a long rock song or blues rock song or pop song  or however you want to label it.  However, how is this truly any different than classic Yes, which in essence were really just long pop songs too. I would hardly call "The Gates of Delirium" just a long pop song.

No, but Close to the Edge, Heart of the Sunrise, Starship Troopers, And You and I, etc... would probably all qualify as long pop songs.  And that is probably one of the reasons that Gates of Delirium is one of my least favorite Yes songs.

Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Vic, I just finished hearing Exit and it was better than I remember. Still not near their best stuff though. I'm on Thief now; this is my 16th album. Exit was my first TD album. And I loved it back then. Lots of light, but excellent pieces. Do you have Thief with the extra Comfortably Numb rip-off? My first TD album was Phaedra, so I had a pretty good start, haha. I agree; Exit is pretty good for what it is. No, I don't. That's probably a good thing. It's not bad. Seriously heavy riffing, but totally off-base given that it's in a TD soundtrack (Froese's more delicate with his axe on such occasions).

Oh, okay. Dang, I guess that would be interesting to hear. Oh well. My version only has the 8 tracks.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Vic, I just finished hearing Exit and it was better than I remember. Still not near their best stuff though. I'm on Thief now; this is my 16th album. Exit was my first TD album. And I loved it back then. Lots of light, but excellent pieces. Do you have Thief with the extra Comfortably Numb rip-off? My first TD album was Phaedra, so I had a pretty good start, haha. I agree; Exit is pretty good for what it is. No, I don't. That's probably a good thing. It's not bad. Seriously heavy riffing, but totally off-base given that it's in a TD soundtrack (Froese's more delicate with his axe on such occasions). Oh, okay. Dang, I guess that would be interesting to hear. Oh well. My version only has the 8 tracks.

I have both versions on mp3!

rushfan4 wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Just by coincidence, my Dire Straits' Money for Nothing compilation CD came up in rotation this morning.  It was the first time I have heard Telegraph Road for quite some time.  I still wonder about the whole what is prog/what is not prog thing.  I agree that in essence it is just a long song, but it is basically just a long rock song or blues rock song or pop song  or however you want to label it.  However, how is this truly any different than classic Yes, which in essence were really just long pop songs too. I would hardly call "The Gates of Delirium" just a long pop song. No, but Close to the Edge, Heart of the Sunrise, Starship Troopers, And You and I, etc... would probably all qualify as long pop songs.  And that is probably one of the reasons that Gates of Delirium is one of my least favorite Yes songs.

I don't think so. They certainly are more complex than what would constitute an extended pop song (with an AABA-AABA structure). They're not structured avant, but they're definitely not structured pop. I'd actually say Yes's compositions are one of the most representative examples of artistic rock, or what we call prog rock.

All (or nearly all) of the characteristics that categorize prog are present in Yes's tracks on a musical level, whereas they aren't near as much in Dire Straits. The musicianship and music theory in Yes is also a higher level, and what they decide to do within the confines of rock---that's what makes it different.

Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: Where's my post I wrote two hours ago? It seems it was buried under 10 new pages.  What was it? About my colleagues at the Conservatory rioting. Why? Because they found out today that missing from more than 50% of some courses (which were declared optional at first) will deny their access to examns. And more than 50% of the students from year I didn't bother much at all with school. Yeah, that's bullsh*t.  Can't change the rules in the middle of the game.

They changed it because of the first semester, when the exam results were catastrophical in many student's case. The same students just didn't pay attention to the warning regarding the new rule, and did the same thing they did months ago: nothing.

Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: Where's my post I wrote two hours ago? It seems it was buried under 10 new pages.  What was it? About my colleagues at the Conservatory rioting. Why? Because they found out today that missing from more than 50% of some courses (which were declared optional at first) will deny their access to examns. And more than 50% of the students from year I didn't bother much at all with school. Yeah, that's bullsh*t.  Can't change the rules in the middle of the game.

Agreed completely.

Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote:  I'm hoping to finish my first "solo ep" sometime this year, there's gonna be four songs, two of which are pretty far finished as demos, one is half readyish and one I just began to work on (I've had the lyrics for that under construction for about a year). It's going to be kind of metallish weirdo rock, or at least at the moment it seems so. It'll be really interesting to see how it turns out and if I have the guts to sing in our absolutely non-soundproof apartment  Sounds good. Let me know if/when you have something. I'd love to hear it. Very good cases were made in the Straits thread indeed, Rob especially, but I too won't lose any sleep over their nonexistent addition even though I think they're somewhat related to prog and a brilliant rock band overall.

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Thanks!

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Ricochet wrote: Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: Padraic wrote: Ricochet wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Ricochet wrote: Where's my post I wrote two hours ago? It seems it was buried under 10 new pages.  What was it? About my colleagues at the Conservatory rioting. Why? Because they found out today that missing from more than 50% of some courses (which were declared optional at first) will deny their access to examns. And more than 50% of the students from year I didn't bother much at all with school. Yeah, that's bullsh*t.  Can't change the rules in the middle of the game. They changed it because of the first semester, when the exam results were catastrophical in many student's case. The same students just didn't pay attention to the warning regarding the new rule, and did the same thing they did months ago: nothing.

Well that's a bit different - if they mandated attendance between semesters, saying "From this point forward you need to attend at least half the classes" - then the students have only themselves to blame.  I was going off something that a professor I had tried to pull - mid-semester, all of a sudden trying to claim that attendance would factor into the grade, when at the beginning of the course there was no such claim.  In fact I barely showed up and he wanted to fail me, even though I was getting passing grades on all the exams and problem sets.  Me and a couple of other guys just went to his office and called bullsh*t, and he relented, realizing we would just make his life a hell if he went through with it.